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To: Brumar89 who wrote (110303)	8/6/2003 10:24:18 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Maybe the question at the end is the reason we didn't see those pics again today..Fox had a brief mention with pics last night..... Or are these the ones we found buried in the Iraqi sand???? Did you see those planes? The comment was...if they can bury planes, they could certainly have buried many other things. Personally, I want to know what was in all the tunnels, and where they lead......

To: Brumar89 who wrote (110303)	8/6/2003 11:11:41 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Thanks . Great photos of the buried Mig. Or Foxbat. Is that the one Eastwood stole? (g) Looking at the scene, a person could stand on a foot of dirt on top of a buried plastic barrel of chemicals and not be able to detect it with a metal detector. There can never be proof that Saddam did not bury the bios. I doubt if any of the found papers will say "We did not bury the Bios" But finding some would be proof, although we may not be able to compute exactly when they were buried unless someone talks. If no records were kept and nobody talks and no weapons are found, then the situation has to evaluated on the basis of a preponderance of evidence . Facts and evidence in UN reports , Intelligence reports, and past actions of Saddam which are all overwhelmingly in favor of a conclusion that Saddam did have WMD's and WMD programs of some form. Sig@nolies.com . .

To: Brumar89 who wrote (110303)	8/7/2003 3:49:57 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian and French made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.>. Is that may or might? It might also be fitted with noocular weapons, or may be. The USA might have supplied Saddam with noocular weapons or maybe the advanced electronics came from USA companies. Yawn... The disbanded Office of Disinformation continues their search for BigFoot. I recall some American Muckity Muck asking who we'd believe, him or Saddam and I thought at the time that Saddam's credibility seemed to me as good as his. Indeed, that turned out to be the case. Blah blah blah Russia France and the USA are breaking international rules. What's new? The USA is calling the kettle black again. Mqurice

To: Brumar89 who wrote (110303)	8/7/2003 4:05:42 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Brumar89; Re "Buried plane shows Russia violated UN ban on arms sales". These are old aircraft. The administration is, as usual, making a big deal out of something that was already widely known, if not actually lying. MIKOYAN MiG-25 ... Design started 1959 as Ye-155P supersonic high-altitude interceptor to counter all potential threats, from cruise missiles to A-11 (SR-71A reconnaissance aircraft) under US development; programme launched officially February 1962; Ye-155R reconnaissance version designed and built 1961-62; Ye-155R-1 first to fly 6 March 1964; Ye-155P-1 interceptor prototype flew 9 September 1964; the two Ye-155s had R-15B-2-300 engines; Type 99 (Ye-155M) experimental aircraft had D-30F6 turbofans; early history in previous editions of Jane's; production, as MiG-25/25R series, completed mid-1980s. Interceptor versions replaced by MiG-31s in Russian Air Force. ... CUSTOMERS: Russia retains 40 for reconnaissance and ECM; Algeria (`Foxbat-A/B'); India (`Foxbat-B/C'); Iraq (`Foxbat-A'); Libya (`Foxbat-A/B/E'); Syria (`Foxbat-A/B'). ... iron-eagles.tripod.com -- Carl