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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (439859)	8/8/2003 9:45:34 AM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

And bear in mind the Civil War was primarily over the issue of slavery Not according to Abraham Lincoln. Ever hear of him? He was President and Commander in Chief during the Civil War. Perhaps you should read the works of Abraham Lincoln instead of relying on what Limbaugh says about him. <font color=brown>Fellow-Countrymen: ... <font color=purple>One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest.<font color=brown> All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war.<font color=purple> To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. <font color=black> Second Inaugural Address of Abraham Lincoln SATURDAY, MARCH 4, 1865 While Lincoln may have personaly not fought over slavery, he certainly realized that the Civil War was fought over that issue. TP

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (439859)	8/8/2003 10:22:04 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

LOL... I wonder does tigie believe Rush and Horace Greeley are the same people. Now would I believe a personal letter or a speech to the nation for what really motivated a person. Who knows what voices tell tigie what to write.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (439859)	8/8/2003 2:19:57 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

If you think slavery was not a primary issue, I suggest you reread the Lincoln quote you published.....and then reread Tiger Paw's post.... And if it wasn't about slavery, what was it about??? State's rights??? LOL

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (439859)	8/8/2003 3:39:53 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Where neo-confederates err here is that they illogically assume that because Lincoln's prime directive was to preserve the Union, the South was not fighting to preserve the right to slavery. Unfortunately for them, they cannot logically appeal to Union motives to prove the motives of the Confederates. This Lincoln quote is often abused by neo-confederates because they fail to understand this simple fact of logic. In the quote, Lincoln merely described how his drive against slavery was dictated by his primary motive of preserving the Union. Should we read the quote in its historical context, we will readily discern that he was justifying his anti-expansionist posture with regard to slavery. He claims that as President he would have taken another posture were it to have promised the preservation of the union. But he could take no other posture because the South insisted on expanding slavery - the very thing Lincoln thought threatened the Union. The history is clear - the Confederates attempted to break union, and they fought and died all for states' rights to keep and expand slavery across America.