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To: marcos who wrote (110767)	8/9/2003 11:17:23 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The pan-arabists and the zionists have this in common - they both apply their concepts on arab lands .... Does this include Palestinians? Or are Palestinians Arabs too? I thought they pre-dated Arab intrusions into the region? And does that include the Kurds, the Copts(Egypt), the Druze, the Maronites, as well as those Jews who have lived in the Mid-East for centuries?? Are those all "Arab lands"?? And who, other than the Arabs, has officially declared them as such? And before any of the recent countries of the region existed, they were "Turkish Lands"... Ottoman Turks, that is.. As you can see, I'm not particularly big on nationalism, except when it denotes pride in a multi-cultural society based upon democratic values and inalienable human rights. Hawk

To: marcos who wrote (110767)	8/10/2003 2:14:47 AM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>If the buddhists were to claim the coast of Niedersachsen, and roll in with tanks and machine-guns to set up a state centred on their religion, for their exclusive benefit<< Mutatis mutandis this happened in the 30 years war, that ended 350 years ago with the Peace of Westphalen. It's so ironic: At the height of pre-Iraq-war frenzy the post-Westphalen state order was being sent to the dumps, Europe was carved up in new and old etc. It's hard to make mistakes. 30 years war was definitely one ghastly error, committed by all sides in the name of Jesus X the Saviour (sg). It's even harder, if you don't learn from your mistakes. Europe did. And then blundered into some more mistakes. Like world wars. And holocaust. But at least one thing can not be held agaist Europeans: short attention span. We learnt and we did not forget. RegZ dj