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To: KLP who wrote (4692)8/11/2003 3:54:55 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793670
 
Schwarzenegger said it was all lies.

Media about Arnold having sex won't hurt him. Not with Maria in the picture as the loving wife. If they try to go after his being a rich man that will backfire also. "Immigrant makes good" is a great story.

With Bustamante in the Picture as a Governor of Mexican descent, the race card will surface. The big issue that killed the Republicans was passing the Initiative that outlawed medical care for illegal immigrants. This was overturned by the California Supreme Court.

But illegals are just pouring over the border at the moment. The picture of Bustamante helping them become legal will be used against him. How the Mexican American vote plays out will be a key in this election.



To: KLP who wrote (4692)8/11/2003 5:34:16 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793670
 
Rush "blew it" with this quote. From "Right Wing News"

I'm a huge fan of Rush Limbaugh which is why I was so disappointed when he said the following about bloggers today in response to David Hill's dopey article that I discussed yesterday....

"In the audio links below, I treat you to my analysis of pollster Dr. David Hill's column headlined "Bloggers Won't Match Limbaugh." A blogger is a citizen who gets a website and just opines on various topics unrealted to politics. A friend of mine defined the term, derived from "web log," as "a nerd with a journalist degree and no social life who spends most days and all nights writing e-mails to himself and his friends in hopes of attracting attention from traditional media outlets." Andrew Sullivan is perhaps the best-known political blogger."

I'm really surprised that Limbaugh has that sort of sneering, elitist, take on the blogosphere given his history. I say that because Limbaugh was attacked by members of the mainstream media in almost exactly this same sort of fashion in the eighties. Ya know, people said "Limbaugh is a bombthrower who appeals only to a few right-wing fanatics." Yet, now that Limbaugh is on top of the heap, he's doing the same thing to bloggers.

Worse yet, Limbaugh sounds ignorant about the blogosphere when he says, "A blogger is a citizen who gets a website and just opines on various topics unrealted to politics". Where did Limbaugh get that odd idea? And why would Limbaugh take the "nerds" with no "social life" cheap shot at fellow right-wingers who are helping to spread a conservative message across the web to a small but rapidly growing audience? Again, it smacks of pure elitism, the type that I'd think would be beneath Rush...



To: KLP who wrote (4692)8/11/2003 7:28:06 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793670
 
I have highlighted some interesting info on Bustamente. Not only is he as "dirty" as I figured, he has some problems within his support groups.

Day Of the Locust

By Harold Meyerson

Monday, August 11, 2003; Page A17

Like the earth beneath it, social and political California erupts in all manner of ways. There are inner-city riots; Los Angeles was the only American city in the second half of the 20th century that was home to two of them. For the past decade, there have been the far more orderly strikes and demonstrations of the largely Latino immigrant working class, a latter-day version of the immigrant protests that shaped New York's Lower East Side a century ago.

California's most distinctive social upheavals, however, are neither those of the working class nor of the lumpen, but those that the broader, unanchored, white middle class supports on Election Day. They've included tax revolts, such as Howard Jarvis's Proposition 13, and somewhat veiled moves for racial separation, such as last year's failed campaign for San Fernando Valley secession from Los Angeles. There have also been the Perotnoid revolts against the state's political class, which have led to term limits so severe that most state assembly members are still learning how a bill becomes a law as they're being shown the door.

The recall circus into which the state has now been plunged is the reductio ad absurdum of these middle-class eruptions. Though it began more simply, as Darrell Issa's new-age coup d'etat, it quickly took on all the symptoms of a classic California convulsion, in which the state's problem (supposedly, Gray Davis) and its solution (supposedly, Arnold Schwarzenegger) are characteristically misidentified. But in a state where television news coverage of politics and government is nonexistent and where the entertainment industry is covered (actually, hyped) constantly, the emergence of Arnold as the political savior of the month should come as no surprise.

The sheer abundance of fruitcake and exhibitionist candidates, the treatment of politics as tabloid entertainment, the touting of Schwarzenegger's "leadership" capacities (as evidenced by what? Conan's rescue of the princess?) and his quick embrace (according to the polls) by a quarter of the California electorate -- all these seem to come straight out Nathanael West's 1939 comic-grotesque novel of Los Angeles' embittered and sensation-seeking lower-middle class, "The Day of the Locust." West's novel ends with a deadly riot at a Hollywood premiere. A bit hyperbolic, that; when the Golden State's white middle class riots, it normally happens at the ballot box.

Oct. 7 may turn out to be the Day of the Locust after all, with Davis devoured by an angry mob. If so, the next governor of California will likely be either Schwarzenegger or the least charismatic of the state's Democratic leaders, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante. The lieutenant governor is one of the dimmer stars in California's political firmament, but he comes by his obscurity honestly. Bustamante has no notable achievements he can to point to from his years in the legislature or as the state's number-two official. Worse, he comes loaded down with two kinds of baggage.

The first is his longtime, and current, dependency on Indian casinos to fill his campaign treasury -- not necessarily the most prudent source of funding at a time when his opponents are already running against the special interests controlling Sacramento. The second is his rocky relationship with some of the state's key unions, in particular the farm workers (Bustamante has been a friend of agribusiness) and the hotel employees (who are endeavoring to organize those tribal casinos). These unions play a critical role in the massive Latino voter mobilization campaigns conducted by the Los Angeles Federation of Labor, and Bustamante cannot win unless the L.A. Fed goes all out for him. "Cruz has a Spanish surname," says Fed leader Miguel Contreras, "but he needs a Latino effort."

For all that, Democrats in this heavily Democratic state can be confident that a Gov. Bustamante would sign, as Davis has, much of the groundbreaking legislation that the progressive-dominated legislature sends his way. And Bustamante may have caught an odd break when Schwarzenegger announced that his campaign would be chaired by Pete Wilson, the former governor. Wilson may help Arnold win more Republican votes, but he may also help Bustamante turn out Latinos, who still hate Wilson for his support of 1994's Prop. 187, which would have denied public services -- including the right to attend school -- to illegal immigrants and their children.

Schwarzenegger advertises himself as an immigrant success story, but whether his story will resonate with the bulk of California's immigrants -- overwhelmingly Latino, poor, Democratic and backers of unions and big government -- is another question. It would be interesting to know how Schwarzenegger voted on Prop. 187, if indeed he voted at all. Time was when leaders of California's white-middle-class revolts didn't have to concern themselves with nonwhite voter turnout, but those days are passing.

Oct. 7 may be yet another Day of the Locust, but I suspect it will be one of the last.

The writer is editor at large of the American Prospect and political editor of the L.A. Weekly.
washingtonpost.com



To: KLP who wrote (4692)8/11/2003 8:13:42 AM
From: Tom Clarke  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793670
 
Interesting choice of words. Mulholland has always struck me as a gangster. His character assassination of Bruce Herschenson was particularly merciless. The Democrat party is full of hoodlums like this, maybe it's time for Republicans to quit being so nice, we need to balance the scales a little...