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To: fedhead who wrote (18279)	8/12/2003 8:19:46 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 19079

I don't know if you don't understand what I am saying, or you don't want to understand what I am saying. It isn't just you, it includes most that debate me on this issue. The problem is "IT workers" overlap "software industry workers". When we import cheap labor to solve the "IT problem" we inadvertently lower the stature of the software industry workers. I am concerned with the latter group. I don't think people want to work in software if they perceive the entire industry to be one big indian offshore experiment. I want the software industry to revert back to the early 90s pre-internet climate. No visas except the traditional immigration approach. Then we had multicultural teams and innovation, people wanted to work in software, it was fun. Lots of great stuff was invented. There was offshoring of cobol programmers 10 years ago, no problem, who cares. Thats where we are going with operational IT skills maybe, fine, you can't stop progress. Maybe some US companies might be better served if they moved to india, if their entire workforce is indian and the executives are indian. The US wants companies to be here who are going to employ people and pay taxes, if a company like i2 does neither then they might as well go. They always have the option to sell their product here, if they can. Everytime I advocate getting rid of the visas (which are going anyway) to improve the entrepreneurial climate for the US based software industry, the naysayers bring up offshoring as their defense. Cut the offshore teams loose, they've had years of experience with tech, they don't need to be here anymore.

To: fedhead who wrote (18279)	8/13/2003 11:45:06 AM
From: ge	Respond to of 19079

The airline industry did import pilots, but where there were unions, they needed to pay them the same as other workers. This slowed the wage reduction but in the end led to union concessions and even employee ownership. I am a proponent of organized labor and feel that is where this debate should be taking place. Maybe those hotshot gun slinging programmers will find unions much more palatable and then, maybe it’s too late to start paying union fees now.