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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (73022)	8/22/2003 11:04:45 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It is not especially my side.

To: Lane3 who wrote (73022)	8/22/2003 11:28:44 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

And until, among other things, your side can see that they are partially responsible, if for no greater reason than last clear chance, this thing will remained polarized. Certainly Moore was in one sense partially responsible for "the trouble," because if he hadn't put the stone there, there would have been no trouble over it. In the same way in which homosexuals parading down the street are partly resonssible violence against them because if they hadn't chosen to parade, there would have been no violence. And the marchers at Selma were partly responsible for getting attached with police dogs and fire hoses because if they hadn't chosen to march, they wouldn't have gotten attacked. If your definition of "partly responsible" includes such instances, then certainly it would include Judge Moore.

To: Lane3 who wrote (73022)	8/22/2003 12:02:08 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

Let's try to get closer to the definition of "partially responsible." Ran across the news story quoted below. Let's assume that ecoterrorists did set the fire. If so, was GM partially responsible, as you use that term, because it chose to make and market the Hummer as a civilian vehicle? The story: WEST COVINA, Calif. -- Fire raged through a Hummer dealership in the Los Angeles area Friday morning, and graffiti spray-painted on many of the damaged vehicles indicate that the fire was set intentionally. Images: Dealership Fire The fire broke out at Clippenger Chevrolet at 1900 E. Garvey Ave., just south of the Interstate 10 freeway in West Covina. By the time firefighters arrived, the dealership showroom was engulfed in flames and dozens of expensive sport utility vehicles were burning in the outside lot. Firefighters had the blaze largely under control by about 6:30 a.m. There was no immediate estimate of the damage. Chief Richard Greene of the West Covina Fire Department told NBC that he believed the fires were deliberately set because there were multiple fires. Greene reported that there were no injuries, but at one point firefighters did have to evacuate people from near to the building. "We have approximately 50 firefighters from LA County and West Covina," Greene said. Video from the helicopter of NBC 7/39's sister station in Los Angeles showed "I love pollution" painted on the hood of one Hummer and "Fat lazy Americans" sprayed on the side of another. One vehicle had the letters "ELF" sprayed on a door.