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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: cnyndwllr who wrote (446619)8/22/2003 2:24:48 PM
From: steve dietrich  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
Bush has taken another step in winning the heart and minds of the civilian population in Iraq by freezing all assets of Hamas leaders, and continuing to fund their enemy Israel.



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (446619)8/22/2003 2:58:20 PM
From: jlallen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Baloney....

It takes time to build a decent intel network...especially with the kind of intimidation the Iraqis have been subjected too....

The situation will continue to improve slowly....This is not a TV sitcom....



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (446619)8/23/2003 4:01:39 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 769670
 
Tejek, the most important phrase in that article is that:

>>"The number of troops, boots per square inch, is not the issue," Abizaid said. "The real issue, by the way, is intelligence. You have to have good solid intelligence in conflicts such as this ... and we're working hard on it."<<

In every sense of the word, that's an admission that we're in deep shit in Iraq. Reading between the lines of the deliberately obscure terminology, the statement can only mean one thing; no matter how many men we put on the ground, no matter how much force we can bring to bear and not matter how hard we try, we cannot defeat what we cannot find.


While I agree with you that intelligence is the main issue, I still listen to those who say we don't have enough soldiers on the ground. Its seems our guys are stretched to thin. Even with the Brits all concentrated in Biasra, they can't seem to keep that one city under control.

Having said all that, hasn't poor intelligence been our achilles heel from the get go?

If we cannot identify the guerrillas and therefor cannot effectively fight against them, we can assume two things. First, we can assume that we are NOT getting the necessary cooperation from the Iraqi "grateful" population. The guerrillas have to live, travel, eat and operate within the population and there are clearly plenty of Iraqis that know and suspect those that are involved. If we are still trying to develop effective "intelligence" then we know that they are generally not volunteering information. The second thing we can assume is that there is no strategic plan that we can put into place that will neutralize the effectiveness of the guerrillas. By this I mean that we cannot create "safe" enclaves from which we can operate and still achieve whatever goals it is that the Bush people have.

What disturbs me most is the issue of how many Iraqis are aiding and abetting the enemy. By "not cooperating" may mean both that they are afraid to cooperate or they don't want to cooperate.

So the bottom line is that unless we can somehow become, once again, the darlings of the average Iraqi citizen, we are stuck with a strategy that leaves our troops and our necessary defensible properties at risk for deadly guerrilla attacks, and we have no effective fallback plan that will reduce the risks.

Yes, you are very right!