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To: greenspirit who wrote (5733)	8/23/2003 4:33:00 AM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794043

A moderate in HAMAS means he advocates killing all the Jews, but keeping some of their buildings standing for Palestinian use... Derek

To: greenspirit who wrote (5733)	8/23/2003 5:09:21 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 794043

Arnold will have a tough time with campaign appearences. Schwarzenegger Mobbed In First Campaign Foray 3 Republicans Are Urged to Quit To Benefit Actor By Rene Sanchez Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, August 23, 2003; Page A03 HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif., Aug. 22 -- Arnold Schwarzenegger stopped at a sidewalk cafe here in Surf City to chat today with a few local business owners, then strolled along Main Street. More than 1,000 people rushed to the scene to watch. They climbed trees. They stood atop cars, lined balconies, stopped downtown traffic and nearly overwhelmed his security detail. It was the first time Schwarzenegger took his celebrity gubernatorial campaign to the streets, and bedlam erupted.....http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A34234-2003Aug22.html

To: greenspirit who wrote (5733)	8/23/2003 2:49:11 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 794043

Saw this coming yesterday. But I thought he might wait a week or so. Good for him. This nails it for Arnold. After the polls hit, Davis is really going to be pushed to get out and back Bustamante. [The New York Times] August 23, 2003 Simon Quits California Recall Race By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Republican Bill Simon dropped out of the California gubernatorial recall race Saturday amid calls from party leaders to consolidate support behind the front-running candidates. Simon campaign spokesman K.B. Forbes confirmed that the Republican businessman, who lost to Gov. Gray Davis in the 2002 race for governor, had dropped his bid to replace Davis if voters decide to oust the governor. Forbes said Simon planned to release a statement Saturday saying: "I strongly believe that the desire of Californians must come before the aspirations of any single candidate. There are too many Republicans in this race, and the people of this state simply cannot risk a continuation of the Gray Davis legacy." Forbes denied that Simon's move was a response to any pressure from the party. "There was absolutely no pressure, no phone calls -- this was a decision made by Bill Simon based on rational conclusions," Forbes said. He said Simon would not be available for interviews. Simon's move leaves three leading Republicans among the 135 candidates on the ballot still vying to replace Davis Oct. 7: front-runner Arnold Schwarzenegger, former baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth and state Sen. Tom McClintock. Simon's name will still appear on the ballot. Many Republicans believe Schwarzenegger should be the party's choice, but McClintock and Ueberroth have said they are in the race to stay. Democrats, meanwhile, are increasingly united behind Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante and his "No on recall, yes on Bustamante" strategy. Bustamante is the lone high-profile Democrat among the replacement candidates, and Democratic leaders see him as a hedge against losing the governor's office to a Republican. Republican leaders, worried about too many candidates splitting the party vote and giving Democrats the edge, stepped up pressure this week on the Republicans trailing actor Arnold Schwarzenegger in the polls. Past polls had found more than half of voters supported the recall effort; however, a Los Angeles Times poll released Friday found declining support for ousting the governor. The new poll showed half of likely voters supported throwing Davis out of office, while 45 percent were opposed and 4 percent were undecided. The poll of 801 likely voters had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points. State Senate Minority Leader Jim Brulte said Friday that party leaders should ask one or more of the other four major Republican candidates to drop out of the race. "Does it make any sense to have a Democrat finish first and Republicans to finish second, third and fourth?" he said. "At some point some of the leaders of the party are going to have to go to the candidates who are going to be nothing but a spoiler." The Lincoln Club of Orange County, which includes some of the state's most prolific Republican donors, endorsed Schwarzenegger on Friday and called on the other Republican candidates to abandon the race. The Republican who funded the recall petition drive, U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, already dropped out. McClintock, however, said he would accept Schwarzenegger's endorsement in the Oct. 7 election. "If the most qualified candidate must defer every time a celebrity or a millionaire casts a longing eye on public office, well then we've lost something very important in our democracy, and it's called merit," McClintock told CNN. During a visit to Huntington Beach, Schwarzenegger said he wasn't trying to muscle anyone out of the race. "Everyone has to make their own decision," he said. "I can't make it for them. Obviously, mathematically speaking, it's wiser to only have one candidate." Any of the candidates who drop out will remain on the two-part ballot. The first part asks if Davis should be removed. The second part offers 135 replacement choices if the recall succeeds. Schwarzenegger and Ueberroth, both millionaires, have poured money from their own fortunes into their campaigns and were raising money from wealthy friends and family members. Simon, the son of former U.S. Treasury secretary William E. Simon Sr., is a social conservative who was a political unknown before his surprise win in the Republican primary last year. He ran a stumbling campaign and lost to Davis by five percentage points in November. The Los Angeles businessman entered the recall election with support from a band of loyalists, but he was not getting the contributions or endorsements he needed. As recently as this week, though, Simon insisted he would stay in the race and spend his own money to win. nytimes.com

To: greenspirit who wrote (5733)	8/23/2003 3:55:31 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794043

Well, to give the devil his due, Hamas does have a large social welfare organization. Hamas is a smart organization. I knew the PA was hopeless the day I read that all welfare in Gaza (and most people in Gaza live on welfare) that wasn't provided by UNWRA was provided by Hamas; the PA did none of it. Of course I agree that the terrorist wing is not a by-the-way; it is the whole raison d'etre of Hamas.