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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (73125)	8/23/2003 9:42:53 AM
From: Rambi	Respond to of 82486

That was a wonderful post. (eom)

To: Lane3 who wrote (73125)	8/23/2003 10:43:48 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

That's a very good post. I, personally, can't read any more posts that blatantly demonstrate the lack of understanding on this point. It's just to disheartening to realize that people either do not wish to understand the pain an ignored minority feels, or cannot even begin to see it. Either way, it's too depressing for me. But you summed it up nicely.

To: Lane3 who wrote (73125)	8/23/2003 11:51:07 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

If everyone is invited to the BBQ but the one non-white in the neighborhood, all other things being equal, then that is a form of attack--attack by message. You're hyperventilating again. I started a lengthy response to your message, but I decided to delete it all. The only thing from it I'll keep is to notice the total inconsistency in your "Does that mean that you have to invite your neighbor to your BBQ? Of course not. It only means that nice people avoid attacking other people." Because what you are saying is that either invite somebody you don't like to your party, or your are automatically judged guilty of being not nice and racist and all sorts of terrible things. The word "attack" used to be reserved for things a person does, not things they don't do. Gee. Think of all the people here on SI who don't post to me. Guess you think they're all attacking me. And same with those who don't post to you. Gosh. We're both being attacked by thousands of people every day. What on earth are we going to do about all these not nice, attacking, terrible people??

To: Lane3 who wrote (73125)	8/25/2003 3:27:42 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Not inviting someone to the BBQ is not an attack on anyone even if you invite everyone else. It might not be nice, but they have no right (legal, constitutional, or natural) to demand that they must also be at the BBQ. I think black barbies on in the class with bald barbies and BBQs, but the Ten Commandments in the court room is not. I think displaying the Ten Commandments in the court room falls short of establishment of religion (and also isn't an act by congress or even the state legislature) so I don't think it is unconstitutional, but it does run afoul of the general idea that there should be a sufficient amount of separation between church and state, and even though I don't think that principle is really part of the constitution, I do think it is an important idea. An idea that IMO many people would take to far but still not an idea that should be ignored or dismissed. I don't think that a federal case should have been made of the issue but I also think the judge shouldn't have made such a huge display of religion or religious ideas in the courtroom. Most of all I wish both the judge and his opponents had not gotten so riled up over the issue. I don't think anyone is being attacked or facing severe harm on either side of this issue. Tim