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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (112574)	8/24/2003 5:00:09 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

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To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (112574)	8/24/2003 7:02:02 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

It is my patriotic duty, as a loyal American, to oppose disastrous ideas and failing policies. I don't accept the totalitarian notion that a leader embodies his nation, or that criticism of the leader equals hatred of the nation. And neither did any of America's Founding Fathers accept that notion. So quit throwing mud. First of all, our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan were supported by a majority of Americans and the U.S. congress. This isn't George Bush's war any more than WW2 was Rosevelt's war. Our nation was attacked, and the Commander in Chief did what he and the congress thought appropriate to defend us. Disagree all you want. Complain all you want. But the facts are the facts no matter how much spin you desire to put on it. Criticism is a good and healthy thing in a democracy, but what you do isn't criticize. Underlying practically everything you write is a deep seated belief that all the problems of the world were a)caused by America or b) about to be caused by America. Sorry, but I call that kind of mental model anti-americanism. Is there nothing you can see which may be positive to come out of these events? Or is every scenario you dream up just many different levels of horror? Talk about a "red herring" Vietnam, Veitnam, Veitnam. It's like a drum beat which hits this thread every 50 or so posts. Those who believe we haven't learned the lessons of Vietnam are simply wrong. In twenty days we completely conquered a nation. What's been happening since is called "mopping up the bad guys". It may take another six months or a year to capture or kill enough of them to render them useless, but that's about it. In every poll taken, the Iraqi people are overwhelmingly in favor or our presence. To suggest otherwise and claim some linkage toward the desires of the Veitnamese people, is sheer folly. You might hate our presence in Iraq, but the Iraq people do not. Why don't they? Because they've had to live under the rule of a vicious murderer, who tortured thousands of people, who tossed children in dungens, and who raped their women. If we followed your advice, those kinds of things would be still going on in Iraq today. Just about anything is better than a living hell like that. And the Iraqi people know it. Five years from now when the Iraqi people celebrate their liberation with parades in downtown Baghdad, I wonder if the critics will acknowledge they were wrong?

To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (112574)	8/24/2003 8:27:49 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Everywhere the "wrong" people win elections (again, I can come up with many, many examples), we subvert the result, by force. Don't forget Florida, 2000.