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To: zonder who wrote (26300)8/25/2003 12:43:17 PM
From: lurqer  Respond to of 89467
 
I am done talking to you on this. You can have the last word if you so wish.

Your choice. But if this is the best you can do, apparently "no big loss."

Let's look at your post in some detail.

You make some comment on "lesser jihad" then search for it in Google and come up with a reference that has nothing to do with what you were trying to say.

Actually Google provided 1650 references to something you said didn't exist. The one (not counting the DVD. <g>) that I posted was, as stated, merely a starting place. Sorry if it wasn’t ready for “spoon feeding”, but attempting to probe another culture can be a challenging task.

And now you want to bicker with me about it, trying to bait me.

I suppose this is where I asked you for less pontification and more information. Your approach seems to be to claim a level of authority, make assertions, and expect to be believed. When challenged, your only response is reiteration - not very convincing.

I don't know what to say about your jihad analysis, other than anyone who is ignorant of the subject, and is apparently insistent on remaining so, is of questionable authority on Islam. I've had no difficulty in discussing this subject with native Arabs. It's not some obscure concept, but rather basic to them.

Next:

As for this:

It's one thing to be immersed in ME culture, and another to be isolated at some military or oil company compound.

It would indeed be different. It is, however, not the case. You are getting pretty insistent about personal details I obviously do not care to share with you. Whatever you are trying to do, it won't happen.

Well, obviously, since your whole “argument” was based on your claim of authority, I was trying determine what level of authority was valid. You now have said that you didn’t spend your time in the ME in either a military or oil company compound. But you refuse to give any details. So I’m left to wonder 1) whether you spent your time in a diplomatic or some other foreign compound, and 2) just how much time are we talking about? Most of your formative years? Some of your formative years? If so, which ones? It’s one thing if it was age 7, and something very different if it’s age 14. If your whole argument is based on your claim of authority because of your personal experiences in the ME as a young person, then you have to provide sufficient details to have a foundation for that claim.

Finally we come to this paragraph – typical of your approach:

You are convinced some guys in a university in Egypt can call Jihad for the Muslim world? Continue to believe just that. It is just as likely as some professor in Harvard calling the next Crusades, but hey, who am I to talk on the issue when there are North Americans among us who have never set foot in the Middle East and who cannot understand a word these people say, but who are now armed with CNN and Google and can speak endlessly on the subject.

As I stated in my previous post, when I compare your statements with Arabs native to the ME, consistently yours are found wanting. Now, it could be that several different Arabs, some of whom don’t know each other, are all lying to me. But I currently assess that probability at “vanishingly small”. I find it interesting that in replying to tooearly you said

Think of it as the Crusades.

Would a couple of theology professors in an Ivy League school be able to call the next Crusades? Probably not.

If anyone, it would be the Pope or some other influential religious figure with a sufficient following.

Similarly, some guys in an Egyptian university cannot call Jihad.


from

Message 19240615

This is interesting both because of the Vatican’s opinion of Al Azhar implied in this

twf.org

and the fact that Al Azhar is referred to, as the Vatican of Sunni Muslims. See

As the scholars of the al-Azhar Islamic University in Cairo - the Vatican of the Sunni Muslim world and the leading university in the Islamic world - have already made clear, this is a defensive jihad, and absolutely legal from the point of view of Islamic jurisprudence.

from

atimes.com

and

As if that wasn't enough, scholars at the al-Azhar University in Cairo, the Vatican for Sunni Muslims, have called for a jihad against the invaders.

from

hotmanila.ph

So by your own words, your argument collapses.

Your profile says you are based in Monaco, so I’ll mention a gambling term. Ever heard of a “four–flusher”?

JMO

lurqer