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To: John Carragher who wrote (5870)8/25/2003 7:27:51 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 794104
 
George Will was the only good thing about the show..

Yeah, but George is getting on too. The last few times I watched him, he sounded cranky. It was a great show when it started with Brinkly. Went downhill when he retired. I post the Sunday Morning shows, but usually don't watch any of them. If they have someone interesting on, I will try. But the usual round of "Admin spokesman" doing their prepared remarks is deadly dull.



To: John Carragher who wrote (5870)8/25/2003 4:01:05 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 794104
 
California is not the "Religious Right" state that the Republican leadership there represents. Every major Republican elected has been a moderate recently.

[latimes.com]
latimes.com


Hopefuls' Views Vary Widely on Social Issues
Differences over illegal immigration and gun control could be key factors, experts say.
By Matea Gold
Times Staff Writer

August 25, 2003

California's prominent gubernatorial candidates have widely divergent views on a host of social issues like abortion and gay rights, topics that trigger strong sentiments throughout an electorate that is often less engaged with fiscal matters.

In a campaign that has already taken on sharp partisan tones, differences over illegal immigration and gun control could be used to frame the various candidates seeking to replace Gov. Gray Davis ? especially in the crowded GOP field, experts said.

"The question is, 'How much social liberalism are Republican voters willing to swallow in order to get a Republican in office?' " said Raphael Sonenshein, a political science professor at Cal State Fullerton.

According to a survey by The Times, the field is bracketed by Republican state Sen. Tom McClintock on the right and Green Party candidate Peter Camejo and columnist Arianna Huffington on the left, while actor Arnold Schwarzenegger and former baseball commissioner Peter V. Ueberroth, both Republicans, attempt to carve out a middle path and appeal to a cross-section of the electorate. Gov. Gray Davis and Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante, meanwhile, reflect positions backed by many of their Democratic constituents.

By voicing support for some stalwart liberal ideals, such as gay rights and gun control, even as he backs some abortion restrictions, Ueberroth showcased his efforts to pull bipartisan support.

Some of Schwarzenegger's views remain murky, however. He was the only candidate who balked at responding to every query on a Times questionnaire, refraining from staking out a position on specific gun control legislation or benefits for domestic partners, even though he has expressed support for both in the past. His campaign, which did not respond to the previous Times questionnaire about the state budget, provided answers about the actor's social views in part by quoting from Schwarzenegger's public statements.

So far, the movie star has spoken mostly in generalities, touting himself as an independent outsider who will upend the status quo. Schwarzenegger's reluctance to focus on social matters underscores his attempt to downplay his more liberal social views for anxious Republicans worried about his GOP credentials, Sonenshein said.

In the survey, Schwarzenegger reaffirmed that he backs abortion rights, a position that rankles many conservatives. But he declared he is against a bill that would allow some illegal immigrants to get driver's licenses, a proposal many Latino leaders have fought to get approved.

That measure has already emerged as a prominent wedge issue. While critics have denounced it as a move that would extend privileges to illegal immigrants, supporters ? including many law enforcement agencies ? say it would make the roads safer by testing all drivers.

Davis angered many Latinos when he did not sign a version of the measure last year. Soon after the recall qualified for the ballot, Davis quickly pledged he would sign the bill, which is currently pending in the state Senate.

"This state is filled with hard-working people who contribute to our economy, bring food to our tables and spend a good deal of time and money here," Davis wrote in his Times questionnaire. "I believe they must be able to get to and from their jobs safely, every day."

Camejo, Bustamante, Huffington and Ueberroth agreed, all vowing to sign the bill. Only Schwarzenegger and McClintock said they would veto it.

Proposition 54, an initiative on the Oct. 7 ballot that would ban the state from collecting some racial data, drew mixed responses. McClintock (R-Thousand Oaks) is the only candidate who supports the initiative, saying he does not believe "race should determine how people are treated by their government." Ueberroth and Schwarzenegger said they remain undecided, while Davis, Bustamante, Camejo and Huffington said they oppose it, arguing that it could impede the state's effort to track public health and hate crime statistics.

The initiative "is a thinly veiled attempt to allow racial discrimination without leaving a paper trial," wrote Huffington, running as an independent.

The question of extending broader rights to gay couples exposed the wide ideological swing between the candidates.

McClintock said he is staunchly opposed to legislation that would grant domestic partners many of the rights currently reserved for married couples, calling marriage "a unique institution ... through which we perpetuate our species."

Camejo vowed to work to pass a law allowing gay marriage. Ueberroth called marriage "a union rightly reserved to a man with a woman," but he said domestic partners should have the same rights as "other committed couples."

Huffington stated that she supports same-sex marriages, while Bustamante and Davis simply said they would sign a bill pending in the state Senate that would give domestic partners many of the rights currently reserved for married couples.

Schwarzenegger has expressed support for gay rights in the past, but in response to the questionnaire his campaign said he had not reviewed the bill.

Only McClintock and Ueberroth said they support additional curbs on abortion, which is constitutionally protected in California. McClintock said he is opposed to the so-called partial-birth abortion and to Medi-Cal's funding of abortions. He said he favors a requirement that a minor's parents be notified before she has an abortion.

Ueberroth said he also backs requiring minors to obtain parental consent, but he added that "when circumstances mandate that would be the prudent course," a girl should have the option of speaking with a trained counselor instead. He said he is against "partial-birth" abortion, except to save the life of the mother, but he said Medi-Cal should continue to provide access to contraceptive services and abortions. On the other end of the spectrum, Camejo said "all women must have the inalienable right of control over their own bodies." Bustamante, Davis, Huffington and Schwarzenegger also expressed support for abortion rights.

Recently passed laws banning guns labeled as assault weapons and limiting the sale of weapons to one a month, among other curbs, drew support from most of the candidates. Huffington said she also would seek to impose a fee on ammunition and use the revenue to offset the costs incurred by trauma centers to treat gunshot victims. Camejo said he would also favor gun licenses.

Bustamante's campaign said the lieutenant governor "does not believe the state should adopt additional measures until we give existing laws a chance to be evaluated." Ueberroth said he would not seek to undo the current laws, although he questioned the use of lawsuits against gun makers.

McClintock said he opposed all the measures. "Citizens have an inherent right to self defense that is protected under the 2nd Amendment," he wrote.

Schwarzenegger, many of whose movies prominently feature the use of automatic weapons, did not respond to the question. Advisor Sean Walsh said the actor is in favor of "sensible gun control," including a ban on assault weapons. He said he expects Schwarzenegger will address further questions about gun control in the coming weeks.



To: John Carragher who wrote (5870)8/26/2003 6:13:20 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 794104
 
An Outsider Candidate Who Favors Insider Advice
By CHARLIE LeDUFF [The New York Times]
August 26, 2003

LOS ANGELES, Aug. 25 - Arnold Schwarzenegger bills himself as the Sacramento outsider in the recall race who can bring a new perspective to government.

Yet he has surrounded himself with accomplished Sacramento insiders, led by former Gov. Pete Wilson and the inner circle that helped him govern for two terms in the 1990's.

Though Mr. Wilson, 70, has taken a quieter role in day-to-day operations as one of the campaign co-chairmen, those close to him say, he wields great influence over the man trying to make the transition from the silver screen to the governor's chair.

It may have been Mr. Wilson's advice over a two-hour lunch that helped persuade Mr. Schwarzenegger, 56, to jump five days later into the race to recall Gov. Gray Davis. A friend of both men says Mr. Wilson recounted a meal he had with Richard M. Nixon in 1966, when Mr. Wilson was considering stepping into politics. Mr. Nixon gave Mr. Wilson ? as Mr. Wilson gave Mr. Schwarzenegger ? some simple guidance: Don't dither. Opportunity passes you by.

Bill Whalen, a former speechwriter for Mr. Wilson who shares an office with him at the Hoover Institution, a research center at Stanford University, said that when the war horse talks, the novice listens.

"Pete is older than Arnold," Mr. Whalen said. "He is not star-struck or a toady. He is in a position to explain things to him in a frank way."

Mr. Wilson has had success. When he took office in 1991, the problems mirrored those today. Jobs were disappearing, and the state budget deficit was $14 billion. When he left office in 1998, the state was running a large surplus and it had recouped the lost jobs.

But the Wilson team is not without liabilities. It pushed the energy deregulation that lead to rolling blackouts in 2000 that some blame Mr. Davis for.

And it was Mr. Wilson who let slip on a Sunday morning talk show that Mr. Schwarzenegger, who was born in Austria, had supported Proposition 187, a successful ballot initiative that Mr. Wilson sponsored, barring illegal immigrants from state services.

The influence of Mr. Wilson, still a polarizing figure in California politics, may not be apparent to voters. The job of articulating Mr. Schwarzenegger's positions is left to two other campaign co-chairmen: Representative David Dreier, a photogenic Southern Californian who once dated Bo Derek, and Abel Maldonado, a Hispanic assemblyman from Santa Maria and a rising Republican star who will be the Schwarzenegger spokesman on immigration should Mr. Davis sign a controversial bill allowing illegal immigrants to obtain drivers licenses.

Still, Mr. Wilson is the power behind the operation, and Democrats promise to make hay of it in the run-up to the Oct. 7 recall vote.

"The question is: is Arnold Pete Wilson incarnate or is he the true independent?" says Sheri Annis, a former consultant to Mr. Schwarzenegger and president of Fourth Estate Strategies. "It's best in politics to steer away from those with baggage. But this is a short, short race, and it's hard to know if the public will care. One thing is true, everyone on this team knows the ropes."

As Mr. Schwarzenegger presents himself as a breath of fresh air, Wilson critics wonder if his run is merely a shadow campaign for a Wilson third term. Mr. Wilson has done little to dispel such perceptions. He was asked, before Mr. Schwarzenegger's surprise plunge into the race, why anyone would want the headache of dealing with California's dysfunctional Legislature or its sinking economy.

"I will reveal a deep character flaw," Mr. Wilson said in an interview. "I'm sufficiently masochistic in that I would willingly undertake the challenge of trying to rescue it. Former governors who are term limited are barred."

A certain part of Pete Wilson misses the political game, said Kenneth L. Khachigian, a former strategist to Ronald Reagan who most recently advised Darrell Issa, the San Diego congressman who bankrolled the $2 million recall petition only to drop from the race for governor at the last moment.

"Pete wants to participate," Mr. Khachigian said. "He cares deeply about this state. For four and a half years, nobody asked his advice, and now his juices are flowing."

Among Mr. Wilson's coterie working on the Schwarzenegger campaign is Bob White, his chief political lieutenant for more than 30 years. Mr. White is regarded as one of the best-connected men in Sacramento, an avuncular figure untainted by scandal. He has been, over the years, Mr. Wilson's fixer, facilitator and schmoozer. Mr. White runs the day-to-day operation of the campaign. George Gorton, who ran Boris Yeltsin's re-election campaign, is Mr. Schwarzenegger's chief strategist.

The finance and tax advisers were plucked from the Hoover Institution, where Mr. Wilson is a fellow. Among them are George P. Schultz, the former secretary of state; Michael Boskin, former adviser to Mr. Wilson and former chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers; and John Cogan, a deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget under the first President George Bush who is in line to be Mr. Schwarzenegger's independent auditor.

Patricia Clarey, a former Wilson deputy, manages the logistics. From the East and a graduate of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, Ms. Clarey is said to be the conduit to Mr. Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver, who holds great influence over him. Sean Walsh, a campaign spokesman, was also employed by Mr. Wilson.

News that the campaign had hired another Wilson associate, Martin Wilson, raised eyebrows. He, along with the advertising guru Don Sipple, were embroiled in an insurance scandal that drove the insurance commissioner, Chuck Quackenbush, from office.

A member of Mr. Wilson's inner circle when he was governor, Martin Wilson, no relation, is co-manager of the day-to-day campaign operations. His consulting firm, Public Strategies Inc., received nearly $400,000 from a foundation set up by Mr. Quackenbush after the Northridge earthquake in 1994.

Instead of paying huge fines, insurance companies accused of mishandling claims were allowed to contribute to foundations ostensibly devised to help earthquake victims. Instead, the foundations spent millions of dollars on television advertisements devoted to enhancing Mr. Quackenbush's political image.

Mr. Sipple, who now produces Mr. Schwarzenegger's commercials, wrote the scripts for the Quackenbush advertisements and was paid $125,000, government records show. Mr. Quackenbush resigned in 2000 rather than face impeachment proceedings. Neither Mr. Wilson nor Mr. Sipple was charged with crimes.

Nevertheless, bad perceptions linger, said Brad Sherman, the Democratic congressman who represents the Northridge area.

"A lot of people feel they got cheated," Mr. Sherman said. "If Schwarzenegger wants to say he is going to clean up special interests, he needs to start with his own staff."

Mr. Sipple, considered one of the most effective advertising people in politics, is best known for his commercial "They Just Keep Coming," which depicted illegal immigrants sneaking into California. It was made in support of Proposition 187, and alienated a large part of the Latino community.

As good as its winning percentage is, the Wilson team has had highly publicized defeats in recent years. Dan Lungren hired some of Mr. Wilson's top media and polling strategists in 1998 in a losing campaign for governor against Mr. Davis. Mr. Sipple was the chief strategist last year for Richard J. Riordan, the former Los Angeles mayor, who lost by 42 points to Bill Simon Jr. in the Republican primary.

Mr. Gorton played down the controversies involving some in the Wilson camp.

"The public doesn't care about that stuff," he said. "It's too inside baseball."

Harvey Rosenfield, president of the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights who supports the recall, says an opportunity is being missed. "The election is shaping up as a runoff between the same political establishment that got us into this mess over the last 10 years," Mr. Rosenfield said. "The Wilson Republicans and the Davis Democrats."

The paradox of the political outsider working with the consummate insiders would be a good backdrop for the next Schwarzenegger movie, Mr. Rosenfield said. "It's the script where the hero gets taken over by the robots he's trying to protect the public from."

nytimes.com