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To: MSI who wrote (113301)	8/29/2003 11:12:36 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Iraq attack critics start to get heard thestar.com

To: MSI who wrote (113301)	8/29/2003 11:46:15 AM
From: Don Hurst	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>" "More recently, the modern-day neocons have come from the far left, a group historically identified as former Trotskyites. Liberal, Christopher Hitchens, has recently officially joined the neocons, and it has been reported that he has already been to the White House as an ad hoc consultant."<< Do you think the WH has organized any meetings for Hitchens with Kissinger? That would be a fun one. Amazing how the far lefties swing so wildly and as do the far righties. >>"The Defense Policy Board, chaired by Richard Perle, played no small role in coordinating the various projects and think tanks, all determined to take us into war against Iraq."<< Have you read Charlie Wilson's War yet? I remembered the 60 Minutes piece on Wilson some years ago and said who is this guy? Reading the book, I found myself saying many times "Oh, this can't be possible". There is a chapter in it on "The Senator and His Even Crazier Right Wing Friends". Perle and North come up with this really nutty idea to get the Russians to defect to the Afghanis and then come to the US to experience the fruits of Freedom, using funds from the CIA. They are convinced that 10s of thousands of the Russians will do this and the Soviet Army will collapse. The CIA partner of Wilson tries to explain to the neocon crazies that the Afghanis have a habit of doing some really gruesome stuff to captured Russians before they kill them and the last thing a sane Russian would ever do would be to defect. I thought of Perle now advising the powers to be to attack Iraq to bring them Freedom and Western style democracy, free markets etc., after the Iraqis kissed the ground to celebrate their "liberation".

To: MSI who wrote (113301)	8/29/2003 12:03:21 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Ron Paul is a libertarian. Most of what he says in the posted piece reflects misinformation or misunderstanding. For example, most neocons were never Troskyites. Irving Kristol, who was, briefly, in college, ceased any adherence to Trotsky while in the Army, about 50 years ago. Straussians are distinct from neocons, although there has been some overlap and interaction. Strauss's views on Machiavelli were scholarly and nuanced, not a wholesale endorsement of "The Prince". (In fact, Strauss's favorite book on Machiavelli is "Discourses on Livy", in praise of republics). Cheney and Rumsfeld have never been considered neocons, they are Republican internationalists. And so on......