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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E who wrote (73901)	9/4/2003 6:52:43 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Children between the age of 14 and 18 are faced with a great deal of pressure to grow up practically over night. They are still following a structure in their formal education that leaves them powerless to make the smallest decisions like where to sit, when to speak, and how to comport themselves. In their less structured, “free time,” they are struggling with transitional issues of jobs, careers, diet, exercise, home, family, drinking, drugging, philosophy, religion, etc. In the midst of all of this, and of the greatest impact is, the pressure surrounding sexual relationships. The cultural traditions we grew up with and encourage for today’s youth to go out and test the waters and find yourself through experimental dating are beyond risky, they are down right out-moded and dangerous. I advocate for more group oriented activities and the return of chaperoning until people are grown up enough to understand and accept the responsibility of an adult sexual relationship. I hold the males responsible for their physical power and force in these circumstances, females responsible for provokee behavior in that regard, and I hold their lazy butt parents responsible for any neglect in supervision. Date rapes would not be occurring in these circumstances if everyone was owning up to their responsibility, or if we began to sanction everyone who should be held responsible in such situations.

To: E who wrote (73901)	9/4/2003 6:57:15 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

I don't know whether he would, but I would. In fact, I would go further in some cases.

To: E who wrote (73901)	9/5/2003 10:05:16 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You raise a good point. I would agree if it were so overwhelming as to make resistance futile. This is not typically the situation with date rape, as I understand it, which is why most women do not immediately recognize themselves as having been raped in such an instance. But it is certainly a possibility that should be included........

To: E who wrote (73901)	9/9/2003 8:51:39 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

.."unless there was violence or the threat of violence, or physical force, used, date rape should be treated differently. It is not quite rape if a woman who had the physical strength to prevent penetration and depart the scene simply gave up resisting a persistent man, without real belief that she was in danger." "Who had the physical strength", or gave in for reasons other then being forced. Persistent demands that don't involve force or threat are not the same as force or threat and reluctantly complying with those demands isn't quite the same thing as being forced. But then you where talking about a woman who was "unable to prevent vaginal or anal penetration to which she very much objects." And "very much objects" is not the same as "isn't really exited about at the moment", or "grudgingly accepts". Tim