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To: Jamey who wrote (35561)9/6/2003 8:15:53 AM
From: Berry Picker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
RE>>Don't you know that this pervert has even suggested
that we wanted to sleep together?<<

No James I did not know - I put several people on ignore.

It does not matter to me at all.

People have suggested that Jesus was a homosexual.

Nothing the godless do surprises me anymore.

They are busy justifying God's good and righteous treatment of them

Christ will ban them to hell FOREVER not just
a while as some foolish men suggest.

Hell is real and forever and they will be there.

God 'could' judge them now but in His wisdom had decided to
let them 'store' it up.

This is for the pervert James...

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now,
by the same word are kept in STORE, reserved unto
fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

This my friend is for YOU, James...

1Ti 6:19 Laying up in STORE for themselves a good
foundation against the time to come, that they may lay
hold on eternal life.

God is patient in judgement - that is good enough for me.

I suggest you put the perverts on ignore and kick the dust off your heels.

Christ will deliver to His elect His truth and the rest will be blinded.

Jesus said this about the pharisees James -
about men who believe the bible -
about men who believed in God -
about men whobelieved they were righteous

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart;
that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand
with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

If those who murdered Jesus could think they were saved
how much more these perverts can comfort themselves with false hope.

Slander is the color of their blinded and darkened hearts.

That is their portion - I pity them.

MT. 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall
be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness,
how great is that darkness!

I imagine you are talking about the "dog"
but perhaps you are speaking about the one from Mars
or the godless AJ or someone else....

I do not know - and do not care to know.

Their have been a few and many more are readily available.

They all had one thing in common James - they deceive themselves
into believing that they are right with God when they clearly
are not.

Is there anything you or I could say more to sway them to the truth.

Just as it is said:

Ro 8:31 What shall we then say to these things?
If God be for us, who can be against us?

It may also be said...

IF god is against them who can be for them

God bless you James - don't waste your time on them.

Brian



To: Jamey who wrote (35561)9/6/2003 10:19:06 AM
From: haqihana  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
James, Now who is perverted. All I said was that you two should get a room, but said nothing about what you were to do in it. Your mind runs in a dirty stream, MR. perfect.



To: Jamey who wrote (35561)9/6/2003 12:13:39 PM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Christian who God has given the ability to teach the word, in and out of season- to all who will listen.

Ever think where many of these ideas originated from , that you call "Christianity" ?

It was there already in the minds of many good men , out and beyond the tiny confines
of Palestine or Galilea...perhaps Jesus had heard of their thoughts?
(the same ones that saved , translated and preserved the
old testament for you)

* Yes , you guessed correctly if you thought -->the Greeks !

;-)

<font size=4>Stoicism and Christianity<font size=2>
childoffortune.com

In conclusion, the reader may usefully be reminded that the theology of the Christian church owes a large debt to Stoicism. In the original gospel of Christ the moral and spiritual elements predominated, and the intellectual element was wholly subservient to them. But when the message spread beyond the confines of Palestine, and its implications were assimilated by thoughtful men in other lands, the need for more exact conceptions of the truth made itself felt. It became evident that the new faith must raise a multiplicity of questions in the fields of cosmogony, metaphysics, psychology, and ethics; and for all of these the church had to discover some coherent system of answers. Fortunately, much of the material for the task lay ready to hand. The ground had already been explored by the schools of pagan philosophy, and their findings constituted the accepted body of contemporary scientific knowledge.

Many of the men who flocked into the Christian community during the second century had been educated in these doctrines from their youth; the majority of them in the principles of Stoicism, since that system more than any other attracted the naturally religious type of mind. To them, therefore, the churchmen turned for aid in building the structure of their theology. This is not to imply an uncritical or wholesale appropriation of the pagan ideas. Rather, when a philosophical theory seemed to suggest the lines along which Christian thought might seek its own solution of a problem, it was taken as a working hypothesis and tested for its possibilities; after which, in a suitably modified form, it might find its place in the new religion. In the words of Dr. Prestige, 'the idea was cut to fit the Christian faith, not the faith trimmed to square with the imported conception'.[*]

For example, the author of the fourth Gospel declares that Christ is the Logos. This expression (meaning either 'reason' or 'word') had long been one of the leading terms of Stoicism, chosen originally for the purpose of explaining how deity came into relation with the universe. According to the philosophers, the divine Reason had brought the world into existence through the agency of innumerable particles of itself, which indwelt and gave form to every created thing. This version of the origin of the universe, already deeply impressed upon his contemporary generation, was accepted in principle by the evangelist. He asserts, however, that the medium through which God manifested himself in the creation and maintenance of the world is not a multiple but a single and personal Logos, begotten of himself. 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made.[*] Thus Christian baptism is given to Stoic metaphysic.

Another Stoic concept which furnished inspiration to the church was that of 'divine spirit'. Cleanthes, wishing to give a more explicit meaning to Zeno's 'creative fire', had been the first to hit upon the term pneuma, or 'spirit', to describe it. Like fire, this intelligent 'spirit' was imagined as a tenuous substance akin to a current of air or breath, but essentially possessing the quality of warmth; it was immanent in the universe as God, and in man as the soul and life-giving principle. Clearly it is not a long step from this to the 'Holy Spirit' of Christian theology, the "Lord and Giver of life', visibly manifested as tongues of fire at Pentecost and ever since associated--in the Christian as in the Stoic mind--with the ideas of vital fire and beneficent warmth.

Again, in the doctrine of the Trinity, the ecclesiastical conception of Father, Word, and spirit finds its germ in the different Stoic names for the divine Unity. Thus Seneca, writing of the supreme Power which shapes the universe, states, 'This Power we sometimes call the All-ruling God, sometimes the incorporeal Wisdom, sometimes the holy Spirit, sometimes Destiny.' The church had only to reject the last of these terms to arrive at its own acceptable definition of the Divine Nature; while the further assertion that 'these three are One', which the modern mind finds paradoxical, was no more than commonplace to those familiar with Stoic notions.

Other instances of Christian ideas which had previously been taught by the Stoics are the conviction that men are 'God's offspring'[†] and partake of his nature, and the consequent belief that we should regard all men as our brothers and neglect no opportunity of benefiting a fellow-creature.

One of the later New Testament writers has also stamped with Christian authority the Stoic belief in the final conflagration of the universe.[*] A notable Stoic contribution, too, to the manners of the Church, and one which has had a lasting influence, was the practice of asceticism. Christians who desired to follow counsels of perfection took the Stoic sage and his way of life as their formal exemplar. The coarse garment, the untrimmed locks and beard, were adopted as the badges of aspiration to sanctity. Just as the Stoic professor was accustomed to withdraw from society and meditate in solitude, his Christian imitators not only followed his example but appropriated his terminology. In the Stoic vocabulary one who went into retreat was an 'anchorite'; one who practiced self-discipline was an 'ascetic', those who lived apart from their fellows were 'monachi', and the place of their retreat was a 'monasterium'. Each of these borrowed expressions has retained its place and significance in the language of the church to this day.

Perhaps the best evidence, however, of the way in which Stoic ideas penetrated Christian thought is found in a treatise which became the basis of medieval moral philosophy, the Duties of St. Ambrose of Milan. Here the scriptural conceptions of righteousness and holiness are almost wholly displaced by the former doctrines of Stoic orthodoxy. The voice is the voice of a Christian bishop, but the precepts are those of Zeno. Not godliness, but happiness appears as the ideal of life; and the happy life is a life according to nature. Such a life is achieved by virtue, for virtue is 'the highest good' and virtue is once more resolved into its ancient pagan elements of justice, prudence, temperance, and fortitude. Most remarkable of all, the happy and virtuous life is declared to be fully
realizable during our sojourn here on earth; and the hope of future bliss becomes not a primary but only a subordinate motive.

In the face of these and similar pronouncements by a prelate and doctor of the church, who will deny the right of Stoicism to be called, in the words of a writer of our own age, 'a root of Christianity'?

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To: Jamey who wrote (35561)9/6/2003 12:18:42 PM
From: 2MAR$  Respond to of 39621
 
THE HYMN OF CLEANTHES (Greek Stoic Ascetic--> <font size=4>331~232BCE)



High glory of the company of heaven,
Lord of the Manifold Name,
Eternal and Everlasting is thy power!

Blessed be thou,
O great architect of creation,
Ordering all things in the ways of thy laws!

To call upon thy name
Is meet and right for mortal kind,
For we are born of thyself;
Yea, and to us, to us alone
Of all that lives and moves upon the earth,
Is granted a voice and an utterance.

Therefore now will I sing praises unto thee!
Therefore now and for ever glorify thy power!

amen