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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6927)9/6/2003 12:54:28 PM
From: Eashoa' M'sheekha  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793757
 
>>Lieberman, who nailed Dean after he said something stupid about trade. <<

A little research goes a long way :

HOWARD DEAN: We can say that we can have jobs again in America, manufacturing jobs in America. I agree with most of what was said here about the economy. The one piece I would add to it, however, is that we need to stop corporate welfare and start doing something for small businesses in this country.

Small businesses create more jobs than large businesses do and they don't move their jobs offshore because they're rooted in their community. If you want to invest in America, we ought to invest in America and stay in America with those jobs.

And I agree with the infrastructure and the... We also ought to invest in renewable energy because, Lord knows, we ought to stop sending our foreign oil money to the Middle East where it's used to fund terrorism.

Now, I do not agree with Dennis that we ought to get rid of NAFTA and the WTO. But we do need to understand what makes the European Union work. You can't get into the European Union unless you have exactly the same labor and environmental and human rights standards that you do in all those countries. We ought not to be in the business of having free and open borders with countries that don't have the same environmental, labor and human rights standards. And if you do that, we're going to be able to create manufacturing jobs in America again and they'll stay in America.

JOSEPH LIEBERMAN: I want to say something about what Governor Dean said. He said here tonight, again, something that I read he said on an interview with The Washington Post, which I found to be stunning, which is that he would not have bilateral trade agreements with any country that did not observe fully American standards. Now that would mean we'd break our trade agreements with Mexico, with Latin America, with most of the rest of the world. That would cost us millions of jobs.
One out of every five jobs in America is tied up with trade. So if that ever happened, I'd say that the Bush recession would be followed by the Dean depression.

We cannot put a wall around America. We cannot put a wall around America, and we cannot leave our businesses and workers defenseless. We have to have trade, which is good for our economy and good for our relations with Latin America.

MARIA ELENA SALINAS: Governor Dean?

HOWARD DEAN: Thank you for the opportunity to respond. We do have to have trade relations which rely on equality and labor standards throughout the world. It doesn't have to be American labor standards; it could be the International Labor Organization. I believe Mexico will do that. I believe that Mexico wants open trade relationships with the United States. And I believe, given the reform that's gone on in Mexico under Vicente Fox, that we will in fact be able to negotiate with Mexico the same labor standards, the same human rights and the same environmental standards over a period of time. And I think we need to do that. We cannot continue to ship our jobs to countries where they get paid 50 cents an hour with no occupational safety and health, no overtime, no labor protections and no right to organize. We're going to move every job out of this country.

MARIA ELENA SALINAS: Let's go to Senator Kerry.

JOSEPH LIEBERMAN: Maria Elena, may I say just briefly that Governor Dean, in his interview with The Washington Post, referred to American standards, not international standards.

HOWARD DEAN: Either is fine with me.

JOSEPH LIEBERMAN: Well, then that's a reassuring change of position. I totally support the application of international labor standards to all of our bilateral trade agreements, and I have fought for that on the floor of the Senate over and over again.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6927)9/6/2003 3:36:06 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793757
 
INSTAPUNDIT

IBN WARRAQ offers an interesting debunking of Edward Said's work over at SecularIslam.org. Excerpt:

And yet, ironically , what makes self-examination for Arabs and Muslims , and particularly criticism of Islam in the West very difficult is the totally pernicious influence of Edward Said's Orientalism [2]. The latter work taught an entire generation of Arabs the art of self-pity - - were it not for the wicked imperialists , racists and Zionists , we would be great once more - encouraged the Islamic fundamentalist generation of the 1980s , and bludgeoned into silence any criticism of Islam , and even stopped dead the research of eminent Islamologists who felt their findings might offend Muslims sensibilities , and who dared not risk being labelled "orientalist".

Read the whole thing. secularislam.org

MORE FROM IRAQ: The North Coast Journal has another firsthand report from a returning soldier. Excerpt:

THE QUESTIONS I GET FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE ARE, "What's going on over there? Why is there so much fighting? Why do the Iraqi people hate us so much?" When I first heard that, that's when I realized that the news was not proportionate to what was going on in the country.

I was in eight or nine cities in Iraq. Starting from Kuwait, we saw pretty much every city along the river on the way to Baghdad. People absolutely loved us everywhere we went. There were big parades. We'd just roll down the streets, or sometimes be on foot patrol, and kids would run out of their houses just to wave at us, just to get a wave back from us. People would give us flowers; they'd give us flowers and gifts and Pepsi -- all kinds of stuff.

I'd have people come up to me and say, "What took you so long? You should have done this in '91!" Especially when we were in Baghdad. We were in this huge building, with a huge fence around it. I'd have a lot of people -- especially the elderly guys -- telling me, "I was tortured under this building for 12 or 14 years," or, "There's torture chambers under here." So we went down and checked it out, and sure enough, there were torture chambers under there -- basically an entire block, underground, with cells and everything else.

The stories we're hearing from the troops seem quite consistent -- and quite inconsistent with the day-to-day coverage in mainstream media. I wonder why that is?

At any rate, this story represents a commendable evenhandedness on the part of the North Coast Journal, which was rather thoroughly negative on the war back in March. (Thanks to reader Chris Sherman for the link).
instapundit.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6927)9/6/2003 6:34:08 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793757
 
What Warren describes here is what I refer to as "Information Warfare." They hope to beat us by controlling our media. This kind of action has made us cut and run in the past.

COMMENTARY
September 3, 2003

Mindsets at work

Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd. The first was when they blew up the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, killing among others their intended target, the Brazilian diplomat Vieira de Mello; the second was the bombing at the Imam Ali shrine in Najaf, killing the moderate ayatollah, Agha Hakim. The third, yesterday, was outside the Baghdad Police Academy. These in addition to numerous painful pinpricks, including American and British soldiers when they are found isolated.

Of the three big vehicular bombings, the last was actually the boldest, on the part of the terrorists. The first two targets were picked because they were not defended. Both the U.N. and the Shia clerics refused direct U.S. protection, and ignored U.S. security suggestions. The U.N. went so far as keeping Saddamite guards on their payroll, who could act as a fifth column within the compound. The Shia were not so reckless as that, but the mosque-organized security detail was no match for cars packed with explosives.

Whereas the police academy was, though an obvious target for those opposed to the reconstruction and democratisation of Iraq, more likely to be competently defended. By no coincidence, the attack was more timid. A single packed vehicle was wheeled into the parking lot, too far from the building to do catastrophic damage, then set off by remote control. To get even that far, they may have used a Ba'athist infiltrator.

Readers in the West have, usually, no idea of the mindset of our enemy, and are protected from finding out by the scruples of politically-correct journalists, editors, and producers. We both over- and under-estimate the enemy, depending on breaking news.

By Western standards, the Muslim "holy warrior" is a coward, looking only for the sucker punch, and refusing to offer battle when his enemy is even slightly prepared. By his own, of course, he is not.

The terrorists will attack civilians, religious, and other innocents and bystanders, for the very reason they are unprotected. But the idea is not mere tactical surprise. He wins through fear, not force of arms.

He is not afraid of death, as we would more likely be. He is instead, by our standards, almost morbidly afraid of failure. He wishes all observers to believe he is invincible, and will avoid doing what might show he is not. Directly attacked himself, he melts away.

While the Ba'athist "dead-enders" in Iraq begin as secular fanatics; and Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc., are religious fanatics; there is no difference between them in practice, and less and less in theory. That they are in full co-operation is obvious both in their selection of symbolic targets, and their common tactics.

It would now appear, from available information, that the U.N. hit was performed by Saddamites on an Al Qaeda target (the Brazilian diplomat was the man who negotiated the recovery of "Christian" East Timor from "Islamic" Indonesia). Whereas the Najaf hit was performed by imported Wahabi terrorists, but on a traditional target of Saddam Hussein's.

My own "flypaper" thesis -- currently ridiculed on liberal websites in the United States -- assumed this would happen and is proved by it. Iraq has indeed become the flypaper for Wahabi-sponsored terrorists in the region. It is a rare thing when the enemy can be persuaded to behave as we would wish him to behave -- to go where we are most ready to collect him -- but the U.S. presence in Iraq has proved irresistible.

This does not mean that they all go there. It does mean that wherever they are -- and many remain under cover in North America -- their own morale depends on driving the U.S. out of Iraq, and destroying the emerging Iraqi government. As, ditto, in Afghanistan, the previous Wahabi setback.

To their mindset, domestic American targets are not the focus, just now. They think of those as too well protected, as being too far behind the front line. It is striking that no major terrorist hit seems even to have been attempted in the U.S. itself, since 9/11, despite what I take to be the bureaucratic incompetence of U.S. "homeland security", which will not even use racial profiling, or suspend such civil liberties as are normally suspended in wartime, when lives are at risk by the tens of thousands.

Note well: this is the one advantage we have with an enemy inspired by religious and ideological fantasies, if, as the Pentagon has tried, we make a good effort to understand how he ticks. His behaviour will be "rational" according to premises quite different from our own. He is obsessed with symbolic, rather than with strategic targets. He will go where the symbolic action is. But having arrived, his other principle kicks in, which is to hunt exclusively for defenceless targets.

Need I add, that all this could change tomorrow morning, if Islamists are persuaded that the Bush administration is vulnerable to a cut-and-run impulse in U.S. domestic opinion. They work from an acute sense of irresolution in their enemy, and are held back as much invisibly by the public resolution of President Bush, as visibly by specific security measures.

The enemy does not think like us. But that doesn't mean he couldn't defeat us -- by understanding our cowardice better than we understand his.
davidwarrenonline.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6927)9/6/2003 8:26:41 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793757
 
This is the kind of piece that Freidman does well.

[The New York Times]
September 7, 2003
The Wailing Wall?
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

[J] ERUSALEM ? If you want to understand why Israel is building a wall and fence around the West Bank to defend against suicide bombers, just hop on any bus in Jerusalem. You can't wait to get off. You scrutinize every passenger. You look at every backpack. You flinch when another bus pulls alongside. And you can't wait to get off.

Yes, Israelis admit it. Suicide bombing of buses and cafes has made them crazy, and the wall-fence they are building is a concrete expression of all those primordial fears.

"It is a tragic project," says the Haaretz writer Ari Shavit. "It looks like the Berlin Wall. It looks wrong. But there is a lot to be said in defense of the wall. No one in Israel actually wanted the wall ? the government didn't want it, the army didn't want it, the right didn't want it. It was imposed on the establishment by popular sentiment. This is the Israeli people's reaction to the intifada and the suicide bombing. What the wall says is that we want to have our coastline democracy ? a small, sane, quiet country of our own, keeping both the Palestinians and the settlers out. In this sense, I think there is wisdom in it."

No question, this wall-fence marks a major turning point in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But whether it will be a turning point toward sanity and quiet, as so many Israelis hope, or will instead fuel the conflict, will depend, quite literally, on which way the wall itself turns.

For now only about one-fifth of the wall has been completed ? along the northern and western borders between the West Bank and Israel, and a few areas in Jerusalem. But as the wall snakes south, Ariel Sharon, the hard-line Israeli prime minister, has to soon decide: Will it continue to hew roughly to the 1967 Green Line border or will it turn east, deep into the West Bank, to protect most Jewish settlements. If it turns east, it will imprison hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, separating them from their fields, families and jobs, a process that is already starting.

For now, Mr. Sharon seems paralyzed. The Americans, Israeli left-wing parties and Palestinians are tugging him to keep the next stages of the wall near the Green Line, the settlers are pulling him either to abandon the whole idea or include all the major settlement blocks, while the bus-riding Israeli silent majority is simply screaming: "Give us a wall."

In other words, the Israeli left wants the wall to be built in a way that makes it safe for Israel to leave the West Bank and the right wants the wall built in a way that makes it safe for Israel to stay in the West Bank.

A fence that would make the West Bank safe for Israel to leave, argues David Makovsky, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, is a fence that would be built roughly along the outline President Clinton offered Palestinians and Israelis ? which called upon Israel to turn over 95 percent of the West Bank and East Jerusalem in return for peace with the Palestinians. Since 75 percent of the settlers live on 5 percent of the West Bank ? just across the Green Line from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem ? the majority could be included inside the fence, said Mr. Makovsky in the latest issue of Foreign Policy magazine, and the Palestinians could still have a contiguous state in almost the entire West Bank.

"It's time we started putting facts on the ground that disentangle this spaghetti and counter the facts on the ground designed to entangle and prevent any solution," argues Mr. Makovsky.

If the wall were along the lines of the Clinton plan, it would signal Palestinians that a deal is there for the taking ? and could be further adjusted in peace talks ? while providing Israelis security and signaling the settlers beyond the wall that they have no future.

If the wall heads way off the Green Line, deep into the West Bank, as Mr. Sharon hinted it might, we are headed for a disaster.

Good fences make good neighbors, but only if your fence runs along a logical, fair, consensual boundary ? not through the middle of your neighbor's backyard. If this wall is used to unilaterally bite off chunks of the West Bank to absorb far-flung Israeli settlements, then "it will just become a new and longer Wailing Wall," said the Israeli political theorist Yaron Ezrahi. "But unlike the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, this wall will have people wailing on both sides. Jews will be mourning the collapse of their dream of a Jewish democratic state, and Palestinians will be mourning their own lost opportunity to translate all their sacrifices into a viable Palestinian state alongside Israel."

On Wednesday, the television network that ran the "Superstar" show in the Arab world was misidentified. It was Future Television, not LBC.