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To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/8/2003 9:30:20 PM
From: gamesmistress  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Dems worse nightmare is iraq turning out well for the United States.

Exhibit A: The Perfectly Dumb Statement

Politically speaking, it's not dumb. The better things go for the US in Iraq the better for the Bush administration, and the better for Bush's re-election chances, and a positive Republican coattail effect. That's a Democratic nightmare. Wanting to win in WWII didn't keep the Republicans from sniping at Roosevelt and trying to keep success from reflecting well on him.....



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 2:17:02 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Issa is confirming what I have been saying

Congressman: Some Republicans must drop out Otherwise, he says, Schwarzenegger is likely to lose

By Kathy Kiely
USA TODAY

WASHINGTON -- The financial godfather of the California recall election says there's no way that actor-turned-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger can replace Gov. Gray Davis unless some Republicans in the race drop out.

Darrell Issa, a Republican congressman who invested $1.75 million of his personal fortune in an effort to oust Davis, said he bases his conclusion on ''pure arithmetic.''

Of California's 15 million voters, 44% are registered as Democrats; 35% are Republicans. The last day to register to vote in the special Oct. 7 election is Sept. 22.

Some people believe Schwarzenegger can attract enough new voters to overcome the divided Republican field. But party leaders are worried that won't be the case.

Three prominent Republicans are running to be the next California governor: Schwarzenegger, state Sen. Tom McClintock and Peter Ueberroth, the former baseball commissioner and manager of the 1984 Olympic Games in Los Angeles. Only one significant Democratic contender is on the ballot: Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante.

''Pure arithmetic destroys the ability to win,'' Issa said during an interview in his congressional office here. ''Three Republicans, one Democrat; you can't win. That's the situation we have right now. It is statistically almost impossible for Schwarzenegger to win unless we reduce (the field) at least by one.''

Issa's blunt comments come when GOP leaders appear to be ratcheting up the pressure for back-of-the-pack candidates to get out. In a telephone interview from his Sacramento office on Friday, state Senate Republican leader Jim Brulte, a key party strategist, echoed Issa's remarks.

''Three candidates dividing the vote lose to one candidate not dividing the vote,'' Brulte said.

On the recall ballot, California voters will first be asked whether they want to remove Davis, a Democrat. No matter how they answer that question, they can then choose a possible replacement among 135 names on the ballot. If more than 50% vote yes on the recall question, the candidate with the highest number of votes will become the next governor.

For Republicans, time is running short. California elections officials will begin mailing out absentee ballots today. Party strategists would like to unite behind a single candidate before voters begin filling out those ballots.

One problem: Schwarzenegger is not the favorite of many fiscal conservatives who helped start the recall drive. ''I'm voting for McClintock,'' says Ted Costa, the leader of People's Advocate, a Sacramento-based anti-tax group that helped spark the recall effort. McClintock, a well-known anti-tax crusader, has repeatedly said he has no intention of dropping out.

Although Issa (EYE-sa) has not endorsed Schwarzenegger, he said the Republicans running behind the actor in the polls need to begin facing the numerical reality. If Ueberroth cannot boost his poll numbers into the high teens within the next two weeks, ''then he's not viable,'' Issa says. Of McClintock: ''Tom's going to have to come to the awareness that if Bustamante's the next governor, and he -- McClintock -- gets 10-15% of the vote, then McClintock will have been the man who made Bustamante governor.''

Issa, 44, a business executive who made a fortune selling car alarm systems, set up and bankrolled the organization that provided 1.25 million of the 2.2 million signatures that put the recall question on the ballot.

The congressman was poised to enter the race, but he tearfully announced he was getting out the day after Schwarzenegger said he was getting in.

''I made the decision that if my desire had always been to change California by recalling the governor . . . then I had to be the first out of the race and ask others to get out as quickly as possible,'' he says.
usatoday.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 2:19:37 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793755
 
ARNOLD TO GRAY: DON'T MOCK ME

September 8, 2003 -- LOS ANGELES - An angry Arnold Schwarzenegger demanded yesterday that Gov. Gray Davis apologize for saying the bodybuilder-turned-actor shouldn't become governor because he can't pronounce "California."

Schwarzenegger, who emigrated from Austria, said the remark was an insult to all immigrants.

"There's many other words he doesn't like," he said yesterday. "He doesn't like 'lost jobs.' He doesn't like 'blackouts' and the 'energy crisis,' and he definitely doesn't like the word 'recall.' "

Speaking to a supporter Saturday, Davis said, "You shouldn't be governor when you can't pronounce the name of the state."

Howard Breuer

NEW YORK POST



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 2:22:00 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Candidates Skirt Immigration Issue
Growth in the numbers and voting clout of the foreign-born, especially Latinos and Asians, has altered the tone of political debate.
By Teresa Watanabe
Times Staff Writer

September 8, 2003

Nine years ago, California politics featured a raging debate over excluding illegal immigrants from public schools and hospitals. Today, the divisive question is whether to give them driver's licenses.

The gap between the two issues underlines a central fact of the state's politics: Immigration and its consequences remain topics of intense debate, but the ground has moved.

The shift illustrates how sweeping demographic changes have altered the state and its politics: immigrants, mostly Latino and Asian, now comprise more than a quarter of California's population, the highest proportion in the nation and up substantially from a decade earlier.

Latinos and Asians differ about the proper mix of policies toward immigration ? both legal and illegal. But the increased number of immigrants in the population, and even more so the increased number who have registered to vote, has had a strong impact on the state's political figures.

"Politicians of both parties are terrified of this issue for fear of alienating the Latino community," said Kevin Spillane, a Republican political consultant in Sacramento. "It's not politically correct to talk about illegal immigration."

Those who advocate more restrictive policies say the majority continues to support their side of the debate ? a contention backed by at least some polling data ? but they concede that politicians of both parties now consider the issue a loser.

"What has changed is that both political parties have decided that they simply will not discuss the issue and will go along with extending all kinds of benefits to illegal aliens, despite the fact that the state has no money," said Ira Mehlman, Los Angeles spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Indeed, while Arnold Schwarzenegger has said he opposes the bill to give driver's licenses to some 2 million illegal immigrants, which Gov. Gray Davis signed into law Friday, the Republican candidate has not emphasized the issue. Instead, he plays up his immigrant background.

His reticence stands in sharp contrast to the actions of former Republican Gov. Pete Wilson, who in 1994 made support for Proposition 187 ? the measure to cut off most public services to illegal immigrants ? a major focus of his campaign for reelection.

Demographic trends of the last decade help explain the political queasiness. In the last decade, more than a million non-Latino whites moved out of California, according to a study of Census data by Hans Johnson, a demographer with the San Francisco-based Public Policy Institute of California.

At the same time, the population of Latino and Asian immigrants and their children grew rapidly. California's Latino numbers, which doubled between 1980 and 2000, now stand at 11 million people, or 32.4% of the population. The number of Asians also doubled, to 3.6 million people, or 10.8% of the total.

Those trends are expected to intensify in the future: More than two-thirds of Californians older than 65 are non-Latino whites, while more than half of those younger than 18 are Latino and Asian, according to William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C.

"The message going out is, if you want to be left out of the future, attack immigrants," said Gabriel Buelna, an immigrant-rights advocate in East Los Angeles.

Public concern about illegal immigration has not disappeared. Nationwide, the proportion of people who said controlling illegal immigration was a "very important" foreign policy goal has remained high: 72% in 1994 and 70% in 2002, according to data gathered by the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research at the University of Connecticut.

Moreover, the Sept. 11terrorist attacks helped reawaken efforts to control illegal immigration and, for a time, sidetracked proposals like the driver's license measure. Last year, Davis vetoed a similar bill, citing the post-Sept. 11 fears of terrorism. At the time, a Times poll showed voters supporting the veto by a 2-1 margin.

But at least in California, the debate over illegal immigration appears to have lost some of its intensity. In 1994, a Times poll showed Californians ranking illegal immigration as the third most important issue facing the state after crime and unemployment; a Times poll this year showed illegal immigration ranking ninth.

On the streets, people like Buelna say they feel a discernible difference in the public mood.

While he was a graduate student in social work at San Diego State in 1994, Buelna said, sentiments against illegal immigrants were so intense that even fellow graduate students would tell him to "go back to Mexico" for defending illegal residents.

When he led campaigns against Proposition 187, Buelna said, he was accosted by people who yelled: "You losers! Why do you protect illegal aliens, the enemies of America?"

Such overt hostility seems to have largely subsided, he said.

"People really got out of that feverish pitch," said Buelna, executive director of Proyecto Pastoral at Dolores Mission, a nonprofit organization that provides social services to residents of East Los Angeles.

"Now, they may think it, but there's no vehicle for them to act on it."

The issue still stirs passions, however.

In Monrovia's Old Town over the weekend, retired engineer Joel Zneimer, 76, declared himself "totally against" the new driver's license law. He also backed restrictions on public services for illegal immigrants.

"Why should you give benefits to people who have broken the law?" Zneimer asked as he ate ice cream with a friend. "I pay enough taxes without having to support half of Mexico."

Down the Pasadena Freeway at Alhambra Park, where Latino families picnicked with carne asada and mariachi music, Xavier Flores, a loan executive in Los Angeles, said he supported the driver's license law and resented those who blamed Latinos for the state's problems with illegal immigration.

"Anytime a knucklehead says, 'Send 'em back to Mexico,' I say: 'This is Mexico!' " said Flores, a sixth-generation American of Mexican descent. His ancestors arrived in the Southwest before the United States conquered what was then Mexican territory, he said, asking, "Why doesn't anyone ever say, 'Send 'em back to Canada?' It's racist."

But both Flores and his neighbor, Gabriel Gomez, said they also supported curbs on illegal immigration. Gomez, a Los Angeles plumber and third-generation Mexican American, said his business has suffered from the cut-rate competition of illegal immigrants.

"When you get illegals doing the job at half the price, you can't compete," Gomez said, adding that if their numbers were reduced, "it would give opportunities for those of us who really deserve them."

In addition to the state's demographic shifts, several other differences help account for the changed political mood, analysts say.

A decade ago, Californians faced their worst recession since the Great Depression, fanning resentment toward illegal immigrants who were perceived as low-cost labor competition. Today's economic downturn is less severe and centered more on parts of the economy not regarded as havens for illegal immigrants, such as high-tech, according to Johnson.

Georges Vernez of the Rand Corp. in Santa Monica speculated that immigration reform had lost some steam because of the court decisions that invalidated most of Proposition 187.

The 1996 federal welfare reform law also "quieted the resentment of taking away services from the native-born," Vernez said.

So did successful California initiatives to eliminate bilingual education and affirmation action, other analysts said.

But the biggest factor, many say, is a new political reluctance to take on the issue of illegal immigration.

When Proposition 187 came to the fore, some Republican strategists opposed it, arguing that it would spark a backlash from the state's growing numbers of Latino and immigrant voters.

In the years since, the proposition, along with moves by Congress to restrict the welfare benefits that legal immigrants could obtain, became rallying points that helped increase the political participation of both Latinos and Asians.

From 1994 to 2000, nearly half a million Mexican immigrants became U.S. citizens, and about that many during the same rough period registered to vote, according to Rosalind Gold of the National Assn. of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials.

"These were voters with a mission: They wanted to send a message that they would fight discrimination against immigrants, and that they would hold Republicans responsible for the tone and tenor of the discussions in California about immigration," Gold said.

Increased numbers of immigrant voters were not the only factor that helped turn California into a state politically dominated by Democrats.

Republicans repeatedly have nominated candidates who are more conservative than the majority of state voters.

Most analysts agree, however, that the perception of Republicans being anti-immigrant ? a charge that Wilson and his supporters have steadily denied ? took a toll.

Democrats, who lost control of the Assembly in 1994, regained it in 1996 and recaptured the governor's office in 1998.

From 1996 to 2000, Republican Assembly seats dropped from 41 to 30 as candidates lost in virtually every district with more than 15% Latino voter registration, said Allan Hoffenblum, a GOP political consultant who opposed Proposition 187. The key exceptions were Latino Republican candidates, he said.

"You had a major political party in power 10 years ago that has been marginalized in part because of losing the vote of Latinos and what is the largest group of new [voter] registrants: immigrants of all backgrounds," Hoffenblum said.

"Now people are so shellshocked that it's difficult to even discuss this issue."

[latimes.com]
latimes.com
THE RECALL CAMPAIGN
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To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 2:30:29 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Here are the Field Poll results. Arnold is in trouble if no Republican candidate pulls out.

[latimes.com]
latimes.com
a d v e r t i s e m e n t


Schwarzenegger Tries a New Tack
The more substantive approach comes as a poll shows the GOP front-runner straining to overtake Bustamante.
By Joe Mathews and Miguel Bustillo
Times Staff Writer

September 9, 2003

Arnold Schwarzenegger held his first question-and-answer forum with voters Monday, and promised to go "up and down the state" to hold similar meetings, part of a recent shift in tactics that has had him more directly addressing issues and the electorate.

The pivot by a campaign that once was more inclined to general policy pronouncements and photo opportunities came as an independent poll showed Gov. Gray Davis gaining some ground in his bid to remain in office, and Schwarzenegger straining in his attempt to overtake Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante as the top contender to replace Davis.

Just four weeks from election day, a Field Poll showed that 55% of voters favored removing Davis from office, a slight decline from the 58% who told the same survey in mid-August that they backed the recall. The survey also showed opposition to the recall increasing from 37% to 40%.

In the battle among the 135 candidates for governor, the Field Poll reported that Bustamante was supported by 30% of likely voters, making him the top contender to replace Davis, a fellow Democrat.

Closest in contention were Republican Schwarzenegger at 25% and state Sen. Tom McClintock of Thousand Oaks, another Republican, with backing from 13% of likely voters. The rest of the field remains stuck in single digits: former baseball commissioner Peter Ueberroth at 5%, columnist Arianna Huffinton with 3% and Green Party candidate Peter Camejo with 2%, the poll found.

The Field Poll results, which were set for release today, were put out Monday night after officials from several campaigns involved in the Oct. 7 recall began discussing them. The survey of 505 likely voters was conducted over the five-day period that ended Sunday, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

Several campaign strategists said Schwarzenegger might have trouble overcoming Bustamante, the only prominent Democrat, in part because of the presence of McClintock, who is drawing a substantial share of conservatives.

And, with McClintock insisting again Monday that he will remain in the race, the intraparty squeeze appeared unlikely to change.Saying he wants to debate Schwarzenegger at this weekend's state GOP convention, McClintock added: "Let's have a debate and see who's the best man for the job. There's no way I'm getting out of this, period."

Both the governor and his top Republican challenger appeared before voters Monday in town hall-style meetings.

Schwarzenegger's appearance before a group of invited guests at Chapman University in Orange underscored the campaign's new tactics ? eschewing an earlier approach of making few public appearances, scrupulously avoiding political reporters and keeping his policy pronouncements as broad as possible.

At Monday's forum before an audience of about 200, Schwarzenegger delved into more specifics and appeared to be striving to appeal to conservatives, whom most strategists believe he must win over to take the lead in the race.

He made his strongest statements to date against a bill recently signed by Davis that will allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses.

"We are leaving ourselves wide open to terrorism," Schwarzenegger told the group of voters. "Anyone can go get a driver's license without a criminal background check."

McClintock has been a leader in the Senate against the driver's license law, and earlier Monday said he would support a statewide referendum to repeal the measure.

At the same time, Schwarzenegger tempered his view on immigrants by saying he would support the kind of guest worker program proposed by U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), allowing more migrants into the country but with greater scrutiny of their backgrounds.

Schwarzenegger sounded a theme popular with conservatives: maintaining the current requirement that two-thirds of the Legislature approve the budget each year. He said he opposes moves to drop that threshold to 55% or a simple majority.

And Schwarzenegger attacked the federal government, saying: "For every dollar we pay in federal taxes, we get 81 cents back in services." He said he would go to Washington to obtain a fairer share for California.

He also made one direct attack on Bustamante, calling the lieutenant governor's proposal to regulate petroleum prices "ludicrous," and saying that if Bustamante got his way "there would be [gas] lines like the '70s."

But the candidate's stances were not all designed to appeal to conservatives. He said he supports the goal of reducing greenhouse gases by 50%, and that Republicans must do more to bring in women voters ? for instance, assuring equal pay for equal work.

The candidate's tone was in keeping with a shift that began around Labor Day, when the Schwarzenegger campaign began making him available to reporters after each event and allowing one-on-one interviews.

On Monday, Schwarzenegger's wife, television journalist Maria Shriver, appeared at a Sacramento-area Wal-Mart to register voters, but encountered about 100 union members loudly decrying the recall and the discount chain's employment policies.

Schwarzenegger's early appearances were most notable for the liberal use of payoff lines from his action movies.

In recent days, he has sounded wonkish in discussing, for example, the ins and outs of workers' compensation reform ? seeming at ease sprinkling terms such as "fee and utilization schedules" into his stump speech.

Campaign spokesman Rob Stutzman said the Schwarzenegger camp is pleased with his slight gains in the Field Poll. But campaign officials believe he is doing even better, and are not concerned about being boxed in by McClintock.

The new poll shows "it's a two-man race" between Schwarzenegger and Bustamante, Stutzman said.

Strategists for Davis, meanwhile, said they were happy about the net 6% gain in the Field Poll, which they said mirrors their internal surveys.

The governor's advisors attributed his gains to repeated appearances before voters in recent days, including another town hall meeting Monday. They said the sessions have softened the image of Davis, who often is perceived as distant and wooden.

The advisors also said the governor gained ground because of television advertisements featuring popular U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and lackluster campaigning by the candidates to replace Davis.

"We feel very good about the direction things are going. Things are clearly going in our direction," said Peter Ragone, a spokesman for Davis.

"There is no question about the fact that getting the governor out of traditional venues ? breaking the chains of the podium and mixing it up with real people ? has had a real effect."

One independent polling expert cautioned against reading too much into Davis' incremental gain in the Field Poll.

Henry Brady, a political science professor at UC Berkeley, said that although Davis has appeared "personable and caring" in the recall campaign, he still must overcome deep unhappiness with his leadership style. The percentage of people who disapprove of Davis' performance, Brady said, is "tremendous."

The governor's town hall appearance Monday evening at the Baldwin Hills Crenshaw Plaza shopping mall was his fifth of the recall campaign.

Davis' campaign strategists said they intentionally sought out a tougher crowd for the meeting to show his willingness to confront difficult issues. They claimed that Schwarzenegger's forum, in contrast, was staged and open only to those friendly to his candidacy.

True to that theme, the forum before a group of about 30 community activists began with a query from a community newspaper reporter who stated that Davis had "given" Latinos the driver's license law for illegal immigrants. "What specifically do you intend to give the black community for its support?" the reporter asked. "Maybe giving us a decent racial-profiling bill, like the one that you vetoed?"

Davis signed a law in 2000 reaffirming that police cannot stop motorists because of their race and ethnicity, although he earlier vetoed a stronger bill that would have required all law enforcement agencies to keep statistics on the racial profile of those they stop.

Davis appeared to stiffen at the question, but said he stood strongly against police targeting any group. He said 70% of police departments now compile racial statistics and that he would find a way to help other agencies to pay to compile the data.

Later in the forum, a man told Davis there was a perception in the black community that he had not been accessible.

Davis took exception to that statement, noting that he got his start in politics with Tom Bradley, the five-term African American mayor of Los Angeles. "I have a personal emotional connection to this community," the governor said, but added a note of contrition: "I have acknowledged that I am going to do things differently if I am allowed to finish my term."

Davis made his most specific promise to date on the question of his contact with constituents, promising to hold two public forums a month during the remaining three years of his term if voters keep him in office.

Davis seemed slightly off-kilter when the forum started, mispronouncing the name of host Kerman Maddox and misstating the history of the construction of the mall, which is a mainstay for many African American shoppers.

Still, at least one community activist seemed pleased. "He came to our community and answered all our questions," said Najee Ali of Project Islamic Hope. "That is more than Schwarzenegger or McClintock have done."



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 8:12:24 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Ken,
You misunderstood. Gina expressed it perhaps better than I. To have the best chance at succeeding in iraq, the optimum situation would be going back to the old notion of bipartisan fp. Democrats won't do it because it would make them less likely to win in 04. And i will not give todays republicans a free pass either. They were out there demonizing clinton much like dems demonize bush and are now trying to overturn an election in CA and doing some hanky panky in texas. And we have Rummy running around saying all is well on top of everything else. So bipartisan fp needs partners and unfortunately the political climate has been poisoned both ways. Where that began is less important than how we end it, because imo much like in WW2 we do need a bipartisan (at least some) fp. Glad to have you back in the fight Ken. I hope that you are feeling better. Mike



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 3:03:25 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
Know Chapman College well. Nice Christian based conservative private school. And boy, is it expensive!

Schwarzenegger picks cozy setting for 'town hall'
John Wildermuth, Chronicle Political Writer
Tuesday, September 9, 2003
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Orange -- Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger opened his "Ask Arnold" campaign talk show Monday at Chapman University, a friendly setting chosen with a serious purpose.

Although billed as a "town hall" meeting, it was quickly apparent the town was a mighty small one. Students from the private school in the heart of conservative Orange County were joined by local businesspeople and Republican activists in an audience that greeted the actor-turned-politician with thunderous applause and cheered every slam at Democratic Gov. Gray Davis.

But the college setting also gave Schwarzenegger a chance to take his campaign to the people he needs if he's going to finish on top of the replacement vote in the Oct. 7 recall election. Although he's running for governor, Schwarzenegger is still "the Terminator," the Hollywood action hero who can draw crowds only dreamed of by most politicians. His job now is to convert his fans into voters who can move him into his next starring role in Sacramento.

"There were 13 million people who didn't participate in the last election," Schwarzenegger told the crowd in the college auditorium. "Now you have to bring people in to be part of that process. What's important is that every voice is heard."

That's a plea aimed directly at California's young people, who typically are a lot more interested in the movies than in the state's budget problems. But if Schwarzenegger can use his star appeal to bring a whole new set of voters to the polls, he can turn the state's conventional political wisdom on its head.

There was only one reason Adam Seligman was in the audience Monday night.

"I'm here for Arnie," the UCLA student said. "I like him as a movie star and I agree with him politically."

Whitney Owens, a junior at Chapman, was impressed enough by what she heard Monday that she plans to register to vote in the recall election.

"He wasn't just saying to everyone 'Yes, I'll do that,' " she said. "He wasn't afraid to say that something wasn't his top priority."

Although the 150 or so people perched in chairs and bleachers around the stage weren't asking Schwarzenegger tough questions, Owens was impressed by the way he handled himself.

"Nothing caught him off-guard," she said. "At least he's taking this seriously."

A Field Poll released today showed Schwarzenegger running second in the replacement election, close behind Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante. But for the candidates farther back in the pack, attracting new voters is just about their only hope.

"The pollsters are surveying the likely voters," said independent Arianna Huffington, who spoke to about 300 students Monday at Orange Coast College in Costa Mesa. "Our strategy is to get the unlikely voters. If we do, it changes the dynamic of the race."

Huffington, a columnist who bills herself as a progressive, attracts an entirely different audience from Schwarzenegger. While the actor drew cheers when he talked about his ability to work closely with President Bush and other national Republican leaders, Huffington's biggest applause lines came when she talked about what she called Bush's "fanaticism."

"The administration thinks getting deeper into the quagmire of Iraq is more important than doing what's right for California," she said.

Huffington, who remains mired in single digits in the recall replacement polls, knows a new approach is needed. That's one reason she's touring college campuses across the state, playing the Pied Piper for students who wouldn't ordinarily join the political fray.

"I've got to appeal to people who have stopped voting, appeal to the 13 million disaffected voters," she said. "The only way is to bring 10 percent of that 13 million back into the race.

"The parties have given up on those voters, they don't even poll them."

Huffington converted a few people in the audience.

"You really believe what you're talking about and that's awesome," Malissa Gatewood of Garden Grove told Huffington after the talk.

"She'll really independent," added Quang Pham, a sophomore from Santa Ana. "I see she wouldn't be affected by the special interests."

Any support Huffington attracts is probably bad news for Davis, since liberal college students are typical Democratic voters.

But a number of the students who showed up to hear Huffington have already decided they don't want Davis as governor.

"My parents are small business owners and I hear my dad say his electricity costs will be going up 30 percent," said Amish Dalal, a sophomore from Huntington Beach. "It's hard to make ends meet, and that affects where I'm going to go to college."

A Democrat, Dalal's only concern now is who should replace Davis.

"I don't know whether I should follow party loyalty and vote for (Bustamante) or go with the better candidate, Arianna."

The search for the missing voters is going to continue with Huffington touring more colleges and Schwarzenegger moving his talk show to what are likely to be less friendly confines in other parts of the state.

"I'll take this show on the road," he promised.

sfgate.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/9/2003 3:08:00 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793755
 
The central valley gives money to conservatives from the farmers and votes to liberals from the farm workers. And welfare to both.

latimes.com
THE RECALL CAMPAIGN


Central Valley's New Political Dynamics Hard to Pinpoint
The area, originally conservative, became a Davis stronghold. That has waned, but support for his foes is scattered.
By Michael Finnegan
Times Staff Writer

September 9, 2003

FRESNO ? In the Central Valley, Cruz Bustamante trumpets his devotion to farm workers, Arnold Schwarzenegger touts his ties to farm owners, Tom McClintock vows to safeguard water for crops, and Peter V. Ueberroth tells voters he grows walnuts and grapes.

California's agricultural heartland has become hotly contested terrain in the gubernatorial recall race. It can swing statewide elections between the two major parties, and it promises to play a pivotal role in the Oct. 7 vote on the proposed ouster of Gov. Gray Davis.

Yet the scramble for votes in the Central Valley is a messier endeavor than usual, one that reflects the odd campaign calculus of the recall and the rapid population shifts of a region now home to 6 million people.

"It's still very much an open race," said Carol Whiteside, a former Modesto mayor who heads the Great Valley Center, a regional public policy institute.

In part that is because the Central Valley has soured on the Democratic governor: In the most recent Times Poll, 82% of likely voters there gave him a negative job rating ? higher than the figure from the state as a whole.

In the 1998 governor's race, Davis' strength in the conservative-leaning Central Valley helped drive his landslide victory over Republican Dan Lungren. Davis stressed his record as a Vietnam veteran who backs the death penalty. He used the same tactic in seeking reelection last year, but with mounting fiscal woes and lingering bitterness over the energy crisis, Davis was trounced in the valley by GOP rival Bill Simon Jr. The governor prevailed statewide thanks largely to Simon's dismal showing in coastal cities.

Now, in his fight to survive the recall, Davis has all but ignored California's breadbasket. Apart from his time in Sacramento, he has campaigned almost exclusively in the Bay Area and Southern California, trying to shore up his base of Democrats and independents.

"In a very short campaign, you can't do everything, and you can't be everywhere," said Davis campaign advisor Garry South. "You have to really concentrate on the areas that are most critical for achieving your objective."

Shaping the contest to replace Davis are the same demographic changes that enabled him to compete in the Central Valley five years ago. The 400-mile-long valley was a Democratic stronghold for decades after legions of poor farmers from the South and Midwest settled there during the Great Depression. It switched to solid Republican turf amid the social turmoil of the 1960s.

Since then, it has transformed gradually into a swing area ? competitive for both Democrats and Republicans ? amid a surge in the Latino population and a steady migration of moderate suburban voters from the coast, many of them fleeing the Bay Area's soaring housing costs. The growth of the Sacramento area ? and diversification of its electorate ? has also loosened the GOP's more recent lock on the valley.

"They're not farmers, they're not right-wing nuts, they're not rednecks," South said.

Bustamante hopes to corner the valley's growing Latino vote. The lieutenant governor, a Democrat who grew up outside Fresno and now lives in a Sacramento suburb, would be California's first Latino governor in modern times.

He recently joined United Farm Workers leaders in a dusty Kern County field to proclaim his solidarity with the union founded by Cesar Chavez. He struck a similar theme Wednesday at a gubernatorial debate.

"I've picked peaches and done the kind of hard labor that has been out there in those fields," he said.

On Sunday, Bustamante held a rally of several thousand supporters in Fresno, but his native-son advantage is tenuous. Although he won Fresno County in his first statewide election in 1998, he lost it last year in his bid for reelection. And now, in his campaign for governor, Bustamante has taken stands that could further dampen his appeal in the valley. His call for gasoline price controls, for one, could cause him trouble in Kern County, where oil extraction is a big source of jobs.

"They're trying to make a buck pumping the stuff out of the ground, and I'm sure they don't want it to become a utility," said Tony Quinn, who analyzes campaigns for California Target Book, a nonpartisan election guide.

Bustamante advisors concede that his politics generally run against the valley's conservative grain, which has maintained its strength despite the recent influx of more moderate voters. He supports higher taxes, legal abortion, gay rights and legislation that would abolish farm exemptions from smog rules.

"On the social issues, Cruz is way too liberal for them," Bustamante strategist Richie Ross said.

Demographer Hans P. Johnson of the Public Policy Institute of California said the legacy of Dust Bowl migration "is very much alive and well in the valley, with the descendants of those migrants being fairly conservative."

"I'm surprised that it is not becoming more Democratic, given the population changes," he said.

Mining that conservative vein most aggressively is McClintock, a Republican state senator from Thousand Oaks. He has concentrated his initial TV advertising in Bakersfield, Fresno and Sacramento, where he hopes to tap into the rampant anger against Davis.

For years, McClintock has been a fixture on the valley's talk-radio circuit. As a candidate in the recall race, he is once again a frequent guest, extolling fiscal restraint above all, but also his conservative stands on abortion, guns and other social issues.

"He's talked about lower taxes and all those virtues that conservative Bible folks hold dear," said radio host Inga Barks of KERN-AM (1410) in Bakersfield.

Republican strategist Ken Khachigian, the son of a Visalia farmer, said McClintock's conservative profile gives him an edge in the valley, but he described the region as crucial to Schwarzenegger too. A big risk for the Republican actor, he said, are his liberal stands on social issues.

"They can hurt you in the valley, but not help you," Khachigian said.

So far, according to Mark Abernathy, a Bakersfield GOP strategist, all the candidates have given short shrift to agriculture, the region's overriding political issue.

"If they want to get elected in the Central Valley, they better start talking about it when they come here," he said.

Schwarzenegger campaigned last month in Fresno without mentioning any positions on agriculture. On Saturday in Sacramento, he picked up endorsements from the boards of two major growers' groups, the California Farm Bureau Federation and the Western Growers Assn.

But again, he took no specific stands on farm issues and said he had no position on the measures that would tighten smog standards in the valley. He said farmers should not be overtaxed or over-regulated, and he vowed to "help understand their problems."

"This is the kind of governor I want to be, because I grew up in Austria in a rural area in the middle of farms, so I know what it is like to be a farmer, to milk the cows every morning," he said.

The other high-profile Republican in the race, Ueberroth, has campaigned once in the Central Valley, stopping at a minor-league baseball game in Fresno. Ueberroth, who lives in Laguna Beach, is well known in Southern California for heading the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics, but is less familiar north of the Tehachapis. A Ueberroth radio ad tells valley voters that he has been growing grapes and walnuts on family farms in California for 35 years.

"We also grow dates in the Coachella Valley, and tomatoes, beans and lettuce near Fresno," his daughter, Keri Ueberroth, says in the ad.

Whiteside of the Great Valley Center said that, with only a month left before election day, there was no apparent consensus building for any candidate: "Nobody's quite sure what the valley's going to do."



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/10/2003 5:41:14 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793755
 
I think Arnold is in the process of losing this thing.

Summer Blockbuster, Fall Flop?
Can Schwarzenegger win his recall battle?
- Robert A. George is an editorial writer for the New York Post. - National Review

Peter Ueberroth's withdrawal yesterday from the California recall race should, on the face of it, be a boost to a certain Austrian erstwhile celluloid star. It can be, but only if the star begins acting a bit more like the characters he played in his big-screen heyday.

One month ago, Arnold Schwarzenegger's nascent gubernatorial campaign had all the right trappings of a Hollywood summer blockbuster: A glitzy rollout, multiple media appearances by the superstar leading man translates into great box-office numbers in its first weekend.

Four weeks later, Arnold Schwarzenegger's nascent gubernatorial campaign has all the wrong trappings of a Hollywood summer blockbuster: Intense interest during the first fortnight suddenly developed swiftly diminishing returns as word-of-mouth, perhaps revealing a distinct lack of substance, fails to keep viewers coming to see the production.

Perhaps this shouldn't have been a surprise because this has been the pattern of Schwarzenegger's real celluloid projects over the last four years. Indeed, Arnold's three films before the July release of Terminator 3, The Sixth Day, and Collateral Damage, made a cumulative $140 million. That's approximately $45 million per picture. Considering Schwarzenegger commands over $20 million per film, it's safe to say that none of the three made money, at least not in terms of the North American box office.

Indeed, that aforementioned $140 million those three films made in the U.S. isn't too far off of T3's $144 million domestic take, in itself quite a drop from the more than $200 million its predecessor Terminator 2: Judgment Day made a dozen years ago. Given inflation and the added theatres mega-blockbusters premiere in these days, T3 is not the overwhelming hit it had been predicted to be.

All this is to say that California and national Republicans should perhaps have been a bit more reticent in just assuming that Schwarzenegger would have been the silver-bullet sure-fire winner in his plunge into statewide politics. Yes, he's got the name recognition, but he also seems like Sylvester Stallone and Bruce Willis ? action heroes from a decade ago that don't seem to fit into contemporary times.

Conservatives are certainly wary about whether they should support the erstwhile Terminator. But, one wonders whether congressional and other national Republicans should invest as much energy and commitment as they have. To turn Michael Dukakis's 1988 slogan on its head, it's not about ideology, it's about competence. Does Schwarzenegger have either?

Rush Limbaugh early on compared Schwarzenegger to New York's pseudo-Republican mayor Michael Bloomberg ? a man who has raised taxes and shown limited appeal. While Limbaugh has backed off on that criticism somewhat, the comparison is quite apt. Bloomberg currently has a 24-percent approval rating, as much because of his political tin ear as for his lack of principles. It's not surprising ? Bloomberg, a billionaire, is someone who usually expects his every word and command to be followed. That's great when you are running a huge business. As Bloomberg has found out, it doesn't quite work as well when you are trying to run a government while negotiating with other elected officials and union leaders. There is such a thing as political acumen. Just because you can form a business and act in a movie ? and make remarkable sums of money from those endeavors ? doesn't mean that you have that ability.

Perhaps because he wasn't famously successful in movies, Ronald Reagan worked harder to develop that political gift. Indeed what separates the Terminator from the Gipper is that there was significant distance between Reagan's acting career and his move into politics. Reagan's leadership of the Screen Actors Guild was an ideal transitional role permitting him to observe and comment on a variety of state issues.

One wonders whether Reagan would have ducked the candidate's debate as Schwarzenegger did last week. Reagan was a B-movie actor who acted like a leading man when he took the political stage. Schwarzenegger, in contrast, is a leading action hero acting like a B-movie actor when it comes to politics.

Here's an idea: In the brief four weeks left, why doesn't Schwarzenegger do something bold? If Arnold doesn't like the idea of debating the other main recall contenders, how about if he completely ignores them? Why not challenge Gray Davis to a mano-a-mano debate? Considering Davis's cheap shot this past weekend about Schwarzenegger's accent, it would be an appropriate step. It would enable the former body-builder to step completely apart from the recall field and directly toward the governor.

Using his own media strength, he would dare a state or national media outlet to ignore it. His case would be simple: "California faces a crisis. Davis has ignored the problem, yet he believes he should stay in office. Let's have a debate about the recall itself, the issues and their solutions. Davis thinks he deserves another chance. I believe I'm the best hope to restore the Golden State to its previous luster."

Hey, it's the recall; let the candidates make up the rules as they go along! Hoping, praying, and waiting as rivals such as Ueberroth, Bill Simon, and (the still-resistant) Tom McClintock drop out is a passive stance. Schwarzenegger's image is that of a man of action. Daring Davis to a one-on-one debate would be a bold move. It would demonstrate that Schwarzenegger the politician is as bold and daring as they characters he plays in the movies. Besides the tactic would remind Reagan fans of the classic, "Excuse me, Mr. Speaker, I paid for this microphone."

In short, it's a maneuver that would be worthy of a true leading action hero. It might well reignite positive word-of-mouth for Schwarzenegger and perhaps save this summer August blockbuster from becoming the fall flop of October.



To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/10/2003 7:03:20 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793755
 
Looks like Cruz figures the ship is sinking, and has scuttled down the rope to the dock.

Bustamante drops 'no on recall' as negative ratings rise
- (Published September 9, 2003)

FRESNO - Faced with a rising unfavorable ratings driven in part by his reliance on Indian casino contributions, Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante's campaign said Tuesday it was officially abandoning the "no on recall" part of their platform.

From now on, Bustamante will emphasize his campaign for governor, not opposition to the recall, consultant Richie Ross told The Associated Press in what he called a conscious change of strategy.

The move follows a gradual shift by Bustamante in campaign appearances to distance himself from his original slogan of "No on recall, yes on Bustamante." It comes the same day the latest Field Poll showed him leading among candidates to replace Gov. Gray Davis on the Oct. 7 ballot, but also showing his highest unfavorable rating to date.

Bustamante's strategy has been bold from the start when he became the first Democrat to break party unity and jump in the race.

"It does bring the realism to the surface that there's no more illusion about the Bustamante campaign being loyal to Gray Davis. It's about Cruz Bustamante," said Jack Pitney, a government professor at Claremont McKenna College.

He has presented the most liberal economic plan of all the candidates, calling for higher taxes on the rich, tobacco and alcohol. He's proposed $2 billion in cuts from Medi-Cal spending that would come from requiring employers to provide health insurance to workers.

And his ties to special interest groups such as Indian tribes have drawn criticism from Republicans and Democrats, alike -- even after agreeing to use much of the money to fund a drive to defeat Proposition 54, the ballot initiative that would restrict public agencies from collecting racial data.

Bustamante insisted Tuesday morning he was still promoting the "no recall" message -- even though he never mentioned his opposition to the recall during the debate with Green Party candidate Peter Camejo and independent Arianna Huffington in Los Angeles.

"I am opposed to the recall," Bustamante told reporters. "Any interview I've ever had, every speech I've ever done, I've always indicated that I'm opposed to the recall. But I'm in competition with Arnold, now Peter Camejo, Arianna and (Sen.) Tom McClintock and I'm going to focus my energies to make sure I'm the best candidate there. I'm not on the ballot with Gray Davis."

At a rally in Fresno Sunday, Bustamante mentioned Davis once during his half-hour speech but was never heard urging supporters to vote against the recall.

Asked why he plans to spend millions of dollars he received from Indian tribes and unions to fight Proposition 54 rather than to oppose the recall, Bustamante said Davis was funding the anti-recall campaign.

Bustamante has shifted more than $4 million in contributions from Indians and unions from his 2002 re-election fund into the newly created Cruz Bustamante Committee Against Proposition 54.

"We have been put in a position of constantly defending negative charges," Ross said. "That has resulted in this increasing unfavorable number and has caused us to shift more of our emphasis to presenting a positive case to the voters as to why Cruz Bustamante would be an excellent governor."

According to a new Field Poll released Tuesday, Bustamante has opened a small lead against Republican challenger Arnold Schwarzenegger -- 30 percent to 25 percent, with a 4.5 percentage point margin of error.

But while the Democratic frontrunner's favorability rating remained at 40 percent, an increasing number of people -- 49 percent -- had formed an unfavorable opinion of him. Only 40 percent saw the lieutenant governor in an unfavorable light last month.

Ross said the campaign's internal polls showed similar figures last week before the Fresno rally, causing them to alter their strategy and leave behind their efforts to beat the recall.

"We figure at this point the governor is adequately financed. He's doing 'no on recall' and doing everything he can," Ross said. "Our best and most responsible course of action at this point is to try to brunt Schwarzenegger's negative campaign by more aggressively promoting Cruz's positive attributes."

-- By Brian Skoloff, Associated Press Writer

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To: FaultLine who wrote (7212)9/12/2003 1:56:33 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793755
 
Will the "LA Times" ever publish it? Mickey Kaus mentions a

"long-awaited, much-promised, highly anticipated and mysteriously delayed major multi-reporter investigative piece covering the Premiere-like ground of Arnold's personal behavior."

I saw this "Carson" Show.

Here's what the tape shows: It's 1981. Schwarzenegger's Conan the Barbarian is about to come out, and he has a fitness book to sell. He entertains Carson with the story of how he and a bodybuilder friend, whom I'll call XXXXXX, got "lucky" when there was an earthquake in L.A. in the early 1970s. Schwarzenegger says he and XXXXXX immediately advertised in the L.A. Times as "European special bricklayers." XXXXXX actually knew how to lay bricks, Schwarzenegger says, but he didn't. Schwarzenegger says his job was to come up with an "estimate" and negotiate the price with the homeowner. He continues:

SCHWARZENEGGER: In the meantime, XXXXXX climbed up on the roof to check the chimney--and he, of course, is a very strong guy and a [weight] lifter--he pushed all the chimneys over so they fell down . So these people come and say 'Oh thank you so much for helping us. This could have fallen on somebody's head, you know. Thank you for doing it for us.

CARSON: What a racket. You go and push chimneys down and then rebuild them.

SCHWARZENEGGER: Exactly. ... [Emph. added]

"So we had a business going very successfully for a year," Schwarzenegger concludes
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