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To: Rambi who wrote (114299)	9/9/2003 9:24:19 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

But what I felt X was advocating was that we don't allow the nature of the way we live as a nation to change. Rambi.. I saw the aftermath of the Pentagon attack. I personally know people who were there when the attack occurred. They all continue to stare upward whenever one of those "puddle jumpers" flies overhead going in and out of Reagan National Airport. Life has forever been altered for them. And the way the US "does business" has also been changed for the foreseeable future. The nation has created a Department of Homeland Defence, the largest of all agencies outside of DOD. And yet, every democrat around haranguing the Bush administration for apparently not spending as much as they believe should be spent for that purpose. We have to change while we fight this war against Islamic militancy, if only to preserve what we have already achieved. We have to be conscious that there are some very bad people out there who would like nothing more than to destroy this nation, even if they sacrifice their lives to do so. But I would rather do it overseas, rather than turn this country into "Fortress Amerika". The American strategy for conducting war over the past century has been to fight them on foreign territory, rather than waiting until the war laps up upon our shores. And if you're concerned about not "changing" this country, ask your parents, or grandparents, just how tight and restrictive security was in the US during WWII.. Ask them if there wasn't a level of suspicioun cast upon anyone who didn't seem to fit... Ask them if people weren't constantly reminded to watch for anything out of the ordinary.. And then remember how that security consciousness was overblown to the extent that Niesei were interned and their property confiscated, while German and Italian-Americans were essentially left alone.. So we have seen FAR WORSE levels of restrictiveness in our country in past years. And I think, if anything, we need to see it today so people don't stop forgetting we're at war. Hawk

To: Rambi who wrote (114299)	9/9/2003 10:54:45 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

most of us aren't letting it be changed in the ways that matter. This month I am making a conscious effort to use up the stored food. We've already used up most of the stored batteries and the stored candles and a lot of the stored water. Every time I see the brilliant white dome of the US Capitol, gleaming in the sunlight, I recite to myself what Faust cried out, before he was taken away: "Augenblick, verweile doch, du bist so schon" ("Moment, ah still > > delay, thou art so fair") .. Foolish to love a stupid old building so much. It's just a thing. Losing it would simply be an inconvenience. Augenblick=the blink of an eye. How long did it take each of the towers to fall?

To: Rambi who wrote (114299)	9/10/2003 12:51:44 AM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Good post Rambi, I would only add it's the job of the military and Commander in Chief to deal with the threat, and allow the American people to get on with their lives. That is precisely what we're doing. To not change our military response is to invite more 9/11 events. Evil people must know we will act when forced to act. That's how the nation has changed. No longer can we take for granted that we're safe and protected from radicalism. The military is there for that purpose, and it's performing admirably thus far so the rest of America can get on with their lives.