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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (259960)	9/11/2003 12:25:31 PM
From: Les H	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Probably because murders per capita are much higher in the US. Bringing socialized medicine to the Congo won't necessarily make them live longer.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (259960)	9/11/2003 1:59:06 PM
From: GraceZ	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

but nobody connects the dots on socialized medicine. Americans die from their own excesses not from a lack in healthcare. Sometimes they even die from an excess of healthcare considering almost 80% of those people who are hospitalized are there for complications of treatment! Most of the things that kill Americans are a result of eating large amounts of food that has little or no nutritional value because the food is grown in soils which are depleted of minerals. This is after 70 years of chemical fertilizer propping up depleted soils. Over eating is the natural outcome of eating foods which are devoid of the needed vitamins and minerals. Your body still craves these things so you continue to eat trying to get them. If you want to know the big difference in health between Americans and other cultures that are healthier it is in the manufactured food we eat, not the healthcare.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (259960)	9/11/2003 3:51:02 PM
From: Earlie	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

MB: ROTFLMAO!! And they are just as bad when they write as well..... takes them a paragraph to say hello (at least certain Canucks that you know do). (g) I'm on your side on this issue. My early career was in eduction and I still remember what it was like as a young school principal (before we adopted socialized medical care), trying to get some of my poorer kids in to see a doctor or attempting to find a way to get some badly needed dental work done. It wasn't fun. I was lucky, as I had a couple of older docs who were "team doctors" for the hockey teams I played for. Without those blessed guys, it would have been impossible. Best, Earlie

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (259960)	9/11/2003 4:59:11 PM
From: Freedom Fighter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

KT, Haven't given the subject much thought, but I would guess that socialized medicine would make it more likely that: 1. A higher percentage of the population will get adequate health care, but few of us will get superior health care unless a private sector black market for health care forms. 2. Fewer potentially brilliant doctors and other health care providers, researchers etc... (that value money and helping people) will actually choose that field. Instead they will become stockbrokers that recommend stocks at 40x earnings and become frequent guests on Kudlow and Cramer. 3. Because of #1 and changes in behavior among potential health care providers (as in example #2), we will get more medicine per dollar, more evenly spread medicine per person, but less net value per dollar because of government inefficiency and mandate and the removal of the profit motive. I think it's a matter of personal preference about which you would like to have.