Sept 11, 2001 ( cont )
[20:30] JimmyLiberato >> So, from what I understand, almost everyone got out of #2 save some hapless firefighters, and it looked like the upper third of #1 was on fire, many below could have gotten out.
[20:31] WhoLovesYa >> Could have, but many were instructed to stay inside
[20:31] milliondollars >> bush on
[20:32] JimmyLiberato >> I would have been guilty of insubordination on that count.
[20:33] milliondollars >> some people was told that building 2 was secured
[20:33] +pluvia >> 6 yes million
[20:33] WhoLovesYa >> Dont be so sure. Many of the people that died in the bombing 8 years ago died because they were trying to get down the stairwells and were overcome with smoke
[20:33] milliondollars >> jimmy, i always leave the building doing fire drills
[20:34] JimmyLiberato >> But the fire last time was in the basement
[20:34] WhoLovesYa >> And if you are on the 50th floor how do you look out to see where the fire is?
[20:34] WhoLovesYa >> They were instructed to stay put
[20:35] mweka >> lirr.org
[20:35] WhoLovesYa >> I was listening to people calling in the local TV stations saying they were in a fire bunker on X floor. Make sure the police and fire personell know where we are
[20:35] milliondollars >> its easy to be a saturday night quarterback
[20:37] mweka >> bye bye Afhghanistan
[20:37] mweka >> we need to cut off all $aide to any country involved in it or harboring these criminals..... before we destroy them
[20:37] JimmyLiberato >> Do you mean #2 was not immediately evacuated when #1 was hit. That is hard to understand. Is it because they did not want onlookers on the street interfering with firefighter access?
[20:38] kenny >> i have had this feeling in my gut today that gets worse as the day goes on....I think its because I know of the news to come out later and tomorrow will be worse....stories of missing loved ones...children...even
[20:38] mweka >> I personally would pay $500k to be able to shoot bun laden
[20:38] d2 >> was everyone accounted for and identified in the oklahoma city bombing eventually ?
[20:39] d2 >> probably never will be here tho
[20:39] WhoLovesYa >> At the time # 1 was hit they thought it was an accident. Even when #2 was hit they were calling it an explosion that was 15 minutes
[20:39] mweka >> my friend who works at Cantor is unaccounted for as of 615pm - 2 kids (son is 2 months old)
[20:40] mweka >> have not heard about my friends at Sandler O'Neill
[20:40] kenny >> the floor the jet crashed into....what / who was on that floor??
[20:40] WhoLovesYa >> 1 hour later # 2 was down. 30 minutes after that #1 was down
[20:43] mweka >> we had dinner by candlelight only here
[20:44] WhoLovesYa >> sorry to hear about your friend mweka
[20:44] mweka >> I am burning a memorial candle for all the victims
[20:44] mweka >> thanks wly
[20:44] JimmyLiberato >> Pakistan gets lots of money from us. They support the Taliban.
[20:45] nico >> Nikkei sub 10k
[20:45] mweka >> theyneed to be cut off immediately
[20:46] mweka >> we cannot finance this cowardice
[20:49] d2 >> mweka, sure hope/pray your friend shows up... so sorry, for him, for everyone
[20:50] d2 >> nikkei -578.48 9714.47 from the getgo
[20:51] nico >> ouch
[20:51] hub >> -683
[20:51] d2 >> wow
[20:51] hub >> ouch ouch
[20:51] nico >> lower than dow ?
[20:52] hub >> 9609
[20:52] d2 >> hub, where do you get a real time look at nikkei, thanks
[20:52] DMG >> WLY - sorry.. finally got through to my Aunt in NY.. was on phone.
[20:52] nico >> dow 9605
[20:52] DMG >> Here's the link for pictures.. us.news2.yimg.com
[20:53] hub >> blom
[20:53] d2 >> ok, thks
[20:53] nico >> of course that was yesterday
[20:53] d2 >> london estimates that the dow will open below 9000
[20:53] chris431 >> finance.yahoo.com
[20:53] d2 >> i get mine from here :) > nishinippon.co.jp
[20:54] d2 >> maybe delayed, must be ?
[20:54] chris431 >> looks like yahoo is probably delayed...
[20:54] d2 >> yes ,yahoo is
[20:54] d2 >> but for some reason i thought my nish link was real, must not be
[20:59] DMG >> Better link for photos.. dailynews.yahoo.com
[20:59] ogm >> TOKYO, Sept 12 (Reuters) - The Osaka Securities Exchange said it had temporarily suspended trading of Nikkei 225 futures contracts <0#JNI:> on Wednesday as hectic selling sent the contracts to its circuit-breaker l
[21:00] nico >> sheeesh
[21:03] nico >> Taiwan will not open
[21:03] nico >> Korea 1 hour delay
[21:03] chris431 >> odd to go to foreign nations where its just a regular thing at the airport for their to be many guards with military style machine guns....
[21:04] hub >> Singapores down 8%
[21:07] kenny >> good nite all
[21:07] chris431 >> night kenny
[21:09] d2 >> Touching piece by Todd on RealMoney > anthonypacific.com
[21:17] zeez >> did anyone hear from bond yet?
[21:17] chris431 >> no update that i saw zeez
[21:18] zeez >> ng
[21:18] zeez >> thx though
[21:19] d2 >> kenny talked to a friend that knows bond and i think kenny said he was ok...
[21:19] d2 >> not absolutely sure of that
[21:20] zeez >> ok, thx. kenny said earlier that he indirectly thought bond was ok. that must be how
[21:21] chris431 >> zeez...right, but no update since then...
[21:22] zeez >> ic
[21:26] chris431 >> given the # of television stations halting program i decided to see if a website that is more parody than not in delivering news had halted...indeed, it has...nakednews is not airing today
[21:32] +Crav >> anyone need items of lexis nexis
[21:32] +Crav >> offf
[21:33] mweka >> i have it crav..
[21:33] mweka >> if anyone neds it
[21:33] mweka >> neds'
[21:33] mweka >> needs
[21:33] +Crav >> ok thanks
[21:33] peter >> mweka, sounds like this is hitting pretty close to home for you
[21:34] mweka >> very
[21:34] nico >> 1957 last time nikkei was below dow
[21:34] mweka >> I cannot say I am handling this well
[21:34] peter >> hug them kids and be a loving rock for them -
[21:35] mweka >> no kids....when you have friends that are missing it hits home
[21:35] mweka >> I am upset by it, cannot understand it, and yet am fixated by it
[21:37] crispy >> sorry to hear that mweka
[21:37] mweka >> However I will not let my wife away from my side... or my dog for that matter
[21:37] crispy >> I'm very upset by this, must be really tough if you live or work in NYC
[21:37] peter >> mweka, that's how we react in crisis and grief
[21:38] mweka >> I will get through it, but it is very upsetting....
[21:38] milliondollars >> mweka, you know what i do for a living- this is really hitting close to home
[21:38] mweka >> more upsetting than the LA riots or LA quake....
[21:38] mweka >> I was there for both of those
[21:39] mweka >> yes, I know million
[21:39] mweka >> I have a lot of friends at Cantor & Sandler O'Neill
[21:39] peter >> was that the first one hit or the second mweka
[21:39] peter >> ?
[21:39] mweka >> I am not sure which was which
[21:40] mweka >> Cantor was in 1 WTC
[21:40] peter >> might make a big difference in survival chances
[21:40] peter >> best wishes
[21:41] mweka >> my friend at cantor has not been heard from a friend talked to his wife arounf 615pm
[21:41] mweka >> dont know about my friends at Sandler
[21:41] milliondollars >> i have a friend that owns brokrage firm was at the WTC
[21:41] mweka >> or Keefe Bruyette
[21:41] mweka >> Keefe is at 2WTC
[21:41] mweka >> 85th floor
[21:42] mweka >> I used to work at Grand Central -- was always freaked out about that
[21:42] mweka >> fortunately we moved up about 10-15 streets
[21:43] peter >> you on Park?
[21:43] mweka >> to a no n descript building
[21:43] mweka >> Madison
[21:43] peter >> i used to be on 55th between Park and Mad
[21:43] mweka >> CSFB
[21:43] mweka >> Park Avenue TOwer
[21:43] peter >> you or me?
[21:43] mweka >> u
[21:43] mweka >> Iam 54 & MAd
[21:44] peter >> no - AEA Investors - ever hear of them?
[21:44] mweka >> vague recollection
[21:44] peter >> you can look em up, been 12 years since i left
[21:44] mweka >> no you are in a safe city...
[21:44] mweka >> now
[21:46] peter >> yes
[21:46] peter >> i was actually in the mountains this am, and came back home to be with kids
[21:46] mweka >> good
[21:46] peter >> moral support
[21:47] mweka >> my nephews and nieces want to come to NYC and make sure I am ok
[21:47] d2 >> wrong direction
[21:47] d2 >> you go to them
[21:47] d2 >> safer
[21:47] mweka >> they are 4 1/2
[21:47] peter >> yeah d2, agree - mweka, it's a great time to be around kids and family
[21:47] peter >> important moment
[21:47] mweka >> I hear you
[21:47] peter >> never to be forgotten
[21:48] mweka >> my wife is here; my dog is here; I have spoken to my sisters.... phone service is spotty
[21:48] mweka >> AIM is the easiest way to communicate
[21:48] mweka >> it is a joke
[21:48] peter >> it's wonderful that the internet is so decentralized
[21:48] d2 >> mweka, try to get some rest... will be thinking about you, your friends, and praying... take care, please
[21:49] mweka >> thanks d2
[21:49] d2 >> peter, u take care too... cya both tomorrow
[21:49] milliondollars >> mweka, i have list of people i do business with in NYC just like you and i am scare to death to call their home number
[21:49] d2 >> and million, u take care too
[21:49] peter >> u2 d2
[21:49] d2 >> did not mean to forget you million
[21:49] mweka >> I hear you million......
[21:52] milliondollars >> i'm driving to chicago in the morning to pickup a friend that is a flight atten with UNITIED, SHE IS SCARED TO GET ON a plane
[21:53] mweka >> how many of us want to get on a plane right now?
[21:53] peter >> that's quite an assist million, congrats
[21:53] milliondollars >> she may know some of the crew
[21:53] peter >> congrats = i tip my hat to you
[21:55] milliondollars >> i remeber as a kid listen to my uncle talk about the war, i never thoufgt i would be doing the same thing to my newphes
[21:55] milliondollars >> my spelling is bad tonight
[21:55] chris431 >> US techs trading in Frankfurt de.finance.yahoo.com
[21:55] chris431 >> MSFT down 17%, IBM down 10%, PG down 12%, INTC down 10%, CSCO down 9%
[21:55] peter >> I have a stock i've been in a long time - cheap stock with bad management - ICTS - airport security
[21:56] mweka >> 5 be well all..... I am signing off for the night
[21:56] chris431 >> nice peter...let us all get in before sharing with SI :)
[21:56] chris431 >> take care mweka
[21:56] peter >> nite mweka, spread that goodness
[21:56] petewitt >> l8r mw
[21:56] zeez >> million, take your time and drive carefully
[22:00] Parnell >> hey
[22:00] moekas >> its crazy how people are blowing the 'celebrating palestine' out of proportion
[22:00] moekas >> its was literally 20 people
[22:00] moekas >> people assume its the whole nation
[22:01] Parnell >> never saw that footage
[22:01] milliondollars >> i will zeez
[22:01] moekas >> these guys on SI are going nuts....but now they got me to deal with.
[22:01] zeez >> media scrounging for tid bits. Also, no one knows yet what is significant
[22:01] chris431 >> ORCL down 15%
[22:01] zeez >> good luck, million
[22:01] moekas >> Message 16335375
[22:01] chris431 >> HWP down 34%
[22:02] chris431 >> DIS down 21%^
[22:02] chris431 >> AOL Timewarner down 16%
[22:03] +rhansen >> fack fack fack fack
[22:03] +rhansen >> what a terrible day:(
[22:03] ogm >> :(
[22:04] chris431 >> CBS breaking news...fire official saying 100-800 bodies in Pentagon
[22:04] Mark_Leh >> Moekas, excellent post. Thank you.
[22:04] +rhansen >> palastine will be gone
[22:04] +rhansen >> they been doing shit like this for decades
[22:04] +rhansen >> the day of reckoning is now
[22:05] +rhansen >> after today, there will be a zero tolerance policy for this shit
[22:05] ogm >> I donb't think killing civilians in palestine and afganistan may be the answer
[22:05] sygr >> I think it is the answer
[22:05] milliondollars >> i'm a shorter at heart (from this site) and i'm not happy at all, i would feel better if i was over allocated in a stock that open up 50 points
[22:05] +rhansen >> no, but they will be policed
[22:06] +rhansen >> no kidding million
[22:06] sygr >> ogm, I feel sorry for the civilians but unfortunatley these cowards shield themselves on purpose with civilains
[22:06] +rhansen >> ogm, it has to be done smart, but it has to be done
[22:07] milliondollars >> how did bin ladden make his billions
[22:07] +rhansen >> unless you want your kids to live in fear
[22:07] sygr >> probably with Kashoggi
[22:07] ogm >> sygr, I don't think killing innocent people for the purpose of revenge is the right thing to do.
[22:07] sygr >> I hope that fucker drowns to death in GENI stock
[22:07] +rhansen >> no one here want's to kill inocent people
[22:07] backman >> ogm, until the countries protecting the terrorists turn them over, civilians may have to (unfortunately) be killed...we cant leave ourselves open to these attacks without meaningful retribution against the att
[22:08] +rhansen >> but this is a war now
[22:08] ogm >> This shit has to be prevented. Killing civilians after the fact doesn't solve anything
[22:08] sygr >> ogm, how else are we supposed to get to these terrorists who use civilians as shields??
[22:08] ogm >> Terror brings more terror
[22:08] ogm >> Endless loop
[22:08] +rhansen >> yeah, lets sit here with no air travle, until they start bombing buses
[22:08] milliondollars >> sanction do not work
[22:08] +rhansen >> this is what war is for unfortunately
[22:09] ogm >> sygr, terrorism is a very nasty thing. There isn't really much you can do, unless you prevent it.
[22:09] sygr >> I would rather see all these countries nuked than lose one more loved one die because of them.
[22:09] sygr >> We should really take care of the problem this time
[22:09] ogm >> rh, this is the purpose of terrorism. To keep civilian population horrified
[22:09] sygr >> you can't prevent it
[22:09] backman >> ogm....so what would u propose?....wring our hands and worry every time we want to travel, or put our kids on a school bus?
[22:09] +rhansen >> ogm, what is your solution?
[22:10] +rhansen >> seriously, its time for action
[22:10] ogm >> backman, I'm just saying that killing a few women in palestine will not solve this problem
[22:10] +rhansen >> a few? i dont think i was thinking a fw:)
[22:10] +rhansen >> this is fucking war
[22:10] ogm >> ok, all women and some kids
[22:10] sygr >> I'm sorry to sounds crass, but I would rather see 1,000,000 of these foreigners die than one more american or loved one
[22:10] +rhansen >> sorry to be blunt
[22:10] sygr >> Unless we really strike hard unfortunately this will happen again in the future
[22:11] Waldeen >> we are the world, we are one people
[22:11] +rhansen >> seriously though, I think it can be done smartly
[22:11] +rhansen >> unseat all the power
[22:11] ogm >> sygr, I have a neighbor from palestine. He is a US citizen. Should we shoot him ?
[22:11] zeez >> careful here: even in war, there are rules.
[22:11] +rhansen >> yes zeez
[22:11] sygr >> maybe we shouldn't have let him in in the first place
[22:12] +rhansen >> I was just talking a normal war followed by surrender
[22:12] backman >> ogm...i agree...but if it serves to shift palestinian sentiment to force the govts to give up these bastards, then it may be the best alternative
[22:12] milliondollars >> this may sound bad, but i was in NYC and my cab driver couldn't speak english what happen today was not hard.
[22:12] ogm >> rh, thats the problem with terrorism. You can't have a conventional war against it.
[22:12] +rhansen >> unfortunately there is no choice now:(
[22:12] +Sword >> "Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., the largest tenant in New York's destroyed World Trade Center complex, declined immediate comment about its employees who were caught in the airplane attacks on Tuesday, sayin
[22:13] +rhansen >> ogtm, i would rather fight than act like an idiot and take this shit
[22:13] +rhansen >> we are americans, it is our heriatage
[22:13] sygr >> I agree
[22:13] +Sword >> Morgan Stanley's derivatives trading organization was in the WTC
[22:13] +rhansen >> I would rather be 100% free than this
[22:13] zeez >> part of the trick, that is the lesson of the WW-1 aftermath, is that when the war is over you still have to find soluitons for the underlying problems that caused it in the first place. That is how the WW-2 aft
[22:13] +Sword >> $500 Billion in positions.
[22:13] +Sword >> At least
[22:13] +rhansen >> right zeez
[22:14] +rhansen >> I think we did an excellent job after ww 2
[22:14] zeez >> but forseeing how to do an acceptable job in this case is not clear to me
[22:14] sygr >> I set the total at 710 points the Dow will close down on the first day of trading
[22:14] +rhansen >> looks like we (and the other nations like russia) have one more job to do
[22:14] Mark_Leh >> Rhans, conventional war. Too easy.
[22:14] +rhansen >> war is war mark, i guess i dont understand your post?
[22:14] ogm >> rh, fight whom ? Just shoot everyone who appears in sight ?
[22:15] ogm >> Russia has their own terrorism problems in Chechnya
[22:15] +rhansen >> no, attack the harborors of this shit ogm
[22:15] zeez >> sword, I have some friends in MS's trading org. have no idea...
[22:15] +rhansen >> lol, we will throw chechyna in as a bonus:)
[22:15] sygr >> lol rhansen
[22:16] ogm >> Russia was at an all out war with Afganistan for 13 years. There are thousands of dead russian boys in those mountains.
[22:16] +rhansen >> ogm, seriously, i dont understand your solution? oh thats right you didnt present one:)
[22:16] ogm >> Afgani people have seen everytrhing
[22:16] +Sword >> leased space on about 25 floors of the 110-story twin towers destroyed Tuesday
[22:16] zeez >> and that is only the last chapter of attempted interventions in Afganistan
[22:16] sygr >> ogm, I think they are about to see something else soon
[22:16] +rhansen >> MS story is sad
[22:17] zeez >> yes, not encouraging (MS)
[22:17] zeez >> wait and pray
[22:17] +Sword >> Abdication of MS trading positions or the unwinding thereof on Thursday could bring down world markets.
[22:17] Jetups >> wow, that was my friend's dad on ABC news.
[22:17] ogm >> rh, I don't have enough expertise to offer a solution. I'm just saying that shooting women and children in blind rage wouldn't be my first choice
[22:17] sygr >> ogm, if you had your loved ones in that building today, what would you propose we do??
[22:17] Jetups >> Marvin Cetron
[22:17] ogm >> Terrorism is horrible
[22:18] Jetups >> he predicted this a while ago
[22:18] +rhansen >> so is war ogm
[22:18] zeez >> sword, they won't know enough to unwind them on THurs
[22:18] sygr >> In my opinion this market will not open on Thursday
[22:18] +rhansen >> but unfortunately it is a fact of life
[22:18] +Sword >> Yes, so they could go out of control.
[22:18] zeez >> I doubt the markets will open on Thurs.
[22:18] Jetups >> sygr, it seems so unlikely at this point
[22:18] +Sword >> 3% skew in hedged derivatives can wipe them out.
[22:18] zeez >> actually, I think it would be unwise for them to open that fast
[22:19] sygr >> this market is going to go down hard and not recover in my opinion
[22:19] +rhansen >> let me just say this, I dont see how anything short of a war will solve this in our lifetime
[22:19] +rhansen >> if you guys have any other ideas i would love to hear them
[22:19] +Sword >> Significant risk of unstable derivatives positions.
[22:19] ogm >> Once again. This isn't a Peral Harbor situation, where a country has declared war
[22:20] +rhansen >> who cares ogm
[22:20] sygr >> many brokerage firms and insurance firms will go under
[22:20] +rhansen >> we have to deal with it
[22:20] Waldeen >> bob, you may be correct...but hte U.S. has it's head in the sand, there is too much poverty in the world, lack of education, we need a Marshall plan for South America etc. etc...we must reach out with love too
[22:20] moekas >> bob, though war will lead to more casulties? so how can war justify what has just happend?
[22:20] sygr >> an eye for an eye like the bible says
[22:20] +rhansen >> moe, its about freedom of destiny
[22:20] +rhansen >> we will not stand for what the rest of the world has had to
[22:20] +rhansen >> no way no how
[22:21] +Sword >> Companies within one block of WTC: American Express, Bankers Trust, Deutsche Bank, Lehman Bros, Merrill Lynch and MS.
[22:21] +rhansen >> even canada has proven that
[22:21] +rhansen >> they have fought for the same thing time and time again
[22:21] moekas >> Sword, i heard American express was on fire? and there websites were all down this am
[22:22] +rhansen >> the bulding fell moe
[22:22] sygr >> does anyone know if there was a Krispy Kreme in the World Trade Center buildings??
[22:22] moekas >> bob, true, but what we've learn't from war is no one benefits.
[22:22] +rhansen >> we have benifited greatly, we arent nazis
[22:22] +rhansen >> geez
[22:22] sygr >> I don't know, but to me it looks like war calmed Germany down for decades. It seems to have worked there
[22:22] moekas >> and in this day and age, all it woujld take is one nuke....from some guys basement
[22:23] backman >> i cant sit and wonder about what is fair and just for innocents in a foreign land, when my neighbors are dead and reduced to ashes....it could have been anyone of us in those towers....
[22:23] sygr >> right backman
[22:23] +rhansen >> moe, exactly which war are you talking about?
[22:23] sygr >> many people's beliefs on this site about what we should do would be greatly different if their loved ones were burnt to death today
[22:23] +rhansen >> vietnam, i can agree i guess
[22:25] +rhansen >> ok, the only proposal so far is war
[22:25] +rhansen >> any other ideas?
[22:25] moekas >> bob, im saying in this day and age....war is so complex with all the nukes around -the power to kill so many exists in a whole lot of countries. nuclear war has to avoided at all costs
[22:25] ogm >> War against who ?
[22:25] backman >> here's a link from AMZN on bioterrorism amazon.com what are we gonna do when that's next?
[22:25] +rhansen >> middle east ogm, the heart of this shit
[22:25] +rhansen >> next question
[22:25] moekas >> marshall plan worked after WW2
[22:25] moekas >> why can't it work now
[22:26] +rhansen >> moe, we had to destroy germany and japan first
[22:26] sygr >> I say bomb now, ask questions later
[22:26] +rhansen >> marshal plan was marshall law
[22:26] +rhansen >> that is exactly what i am saying moe
[22:27] +rhansen >> i am not saying kill everyone, i am saying take the countries over and rebuild
[22:27] ogm >> Lynch Mob has never had anything to do with law or justice
[22:27] +rhansen >> unfortunately there is war in the middle of all that
[22:27] +rhansen >> ogm, we are talking war, not lynch mob
[22:28] Mark_Leh >> Rhansen, the Russians tried to take over and rebuild Afghanistan. It cost them tens of thousands of Russian lives.
[22:28] +rhansen >> use the marshell plan like moe suggested
[22:28] +rhansen >> russia was screwed by that time
[22:28] +rhansen >> ummm, still waiting for suggestions
[22:28] milliondollars >> why can't we find this fool
[22:29] +rhansen >> there are 100's
[22:29] backman >> i am yet concerned that this is not over....they have had their "macro" attack....now, why not do a string of "micro" attacks....schools/churches/synagoges
[22:29] Jetups >> anthony, your sale of childrens' stocks is going to prove to be extremely timely , a few months from now. Not just because the attacks will spike the markets down. But because the outflow from equities appears po
[22:30] Mark_Leh >> Rhansen, first we don't know who did it. But we know that Bin Laden has done bad things in the past. My suggestion would be to give them 5 days to turn over Bin Laden, dead or alive. After that, we take ou
[22:30] WhoLovesYa >> CBS reporting that a truckload of explosives was confiscated after it crossed the george washington bridge. 2 suspects arrested |
