Sept 11, 2001 ( cont )
[22:30] Mark_Leh >> Rhansen, first we don't know who did it. But we know that Bin Laden has done bad things in the past. My suggestion would be to give them 5 days to turn over Bin Laden, dead or alive. After that, we take ou
[22:30] WhoLovesYa >> CBS reporting that a truckload of explosives was confiscated after it crossed the george washington bridge. 2 suspects arrested
[22:30] Jetups >> wow
[22:30] +rhansen >> sure mark, then wait for his followers
[22:31] +rhansen >> they dragged us into this, we have to finish it
[22:31] +rhansen >> sooner or later
[22:31] Mark_Leh >> What does "finish it" mean?
[22:31] goshortu >> what happened to the stock market following pearl harbor?
[22:31] +rhansen >> or live in mud brick houses[22:31] +rhansen >> war with the terroist states mark
[22:32] Mark_Leh >> Land war?
[22:32] Mark_Leh >> You must be joking.
[22:32] +rhansen >> land, air sea
[22:32] +rhansen >> joking?
[22:32] ogm >> rh, its just blind rage an the feeling of hopelessness talking in you.
[22:32] Mark_Leh >> Vietnam would look like a picnic if we launched a land war in Afghanistan or Syria.
[22:32] ogm >> This has been a truly tragic day and emotions are running high
[22:33] +rhansen >> ogm, dont speak for me please, i am not enraged, just predicting what has to be done
[22:33] milliondollars >> land war would not be good
[22:33] +rhansen >> air, then land
[22:34] ogm >> and then submarines
[22:34] +rhansen >> ogm, so far your idea is to just sit back and keep trading:)
[22:34] Mark_Leh >> Rhans, that was Vietnam. Air then land war in a county which did not want our presence.
[22:35] +rhansen >> mark, how can this not end in an eventual war?
[22:35] ogm >> Russia went through exactly the same thing with Afgainstan
[22:35] +rhansen >> again, ogm has no solution
[22:35] Harpo >> Hello
[22:35] +rhansen >> ogm, please present a solution
[22:36] Mark_Leh >> Rhans, there is no SOLUTION. There are only responses.
[22:36] Harpo >> I guess Rumsfeld doesn't have to worry about implementing the 15% reduction in pentagon workforce he announced yesterday.
[22:36] backman >> if i were a terrorist reading this dialogue,I would be laughing up my sleeve...."ah liberal american rhetoric regarding due process working just like always"
[22:37] +rhansen >> ok, so what is your RESPONSE mark, ask nicely that they turn over bin laden?
[22:37] +rhansen >> which we have been doing for 10 years
[22:37] ogm >> Conduct a thorough investigation, find those responsible and destroy. And then organize preventive measures to reduce chances of this happening again.
[22:38] +rhansen >> right, like no immegration and no airplanes and no busses
[22:38] +rhansen >> or cars (car bombs)
[22:38] Mark_Leh >> Rhans, I presented my response. Air attacks against Afghan military installations designed to rattle the leaders into realizing that with US support they might lose to the Northern Front.
[22:38] ogm >> Once again. It won't be possible to eliminate the threat of terrorism completely. But it is possible to prevent most of it
[22:38] backman >> ogm, didnt we try that with sadam husein?....we couldnt get anywhere near the guy
[22:39] ogm >> backman, why Saddam hasn't been taken out yet is a complete mystery to me.
[22:39] Harpo >> The only Solution would have to come from our creator. Man is incapable of bringing about a lasting peace.
[22:39] moekas >> tokyo opens down 6% ?
[22:39] +rhansen >> terroism will have to be stopped, and we are running out of options i am afraid
[22:39] ogm >> My guess would be that Saddam is just being kept alive for occasions when public attention has to be distraced.
[22:39] +rhansen >> that's all i am saying
[22:39] moekas >> ogm, i heard they didnt kill sadam b/c the next in command is crazier then him
[22:39] +rhansen >> this has some sotr of limited war witten all over it
[22:39] ogm >> rh, your solution will create only more terrorism
[22:40] Parnell >> I hate to sound flip her, but did anyone have a bet with Tony about posting on SI
[22:40] Jetups >> can't stop terrorism as long as its members are willing to die, and willing to take orders from a deranged leader. But we sure can deter it.
[22:40] Jetups >> slow it
[22:40] Parnell >> ok sorry, back to war
[22:40] ogm >> rh, these people are willing to die in suicide attacks. This isn't something that is easy to fight
[22:40] Mark_Leh >> Jetups, we can stop it. But, you would have to be a barbarian to take those steps.
[22:41] +rhansen >> believe it or not, i dont think the heart of these states are behind it, it will take a war to sort that out though
[22:41] +rhansen >> like it did with japan
[22:41] backman >> ogm...exactly......if we keep doing the same thing, we will get the same results.....hussein=ben ladan (if its him)
[22:41] harryj >> table of occupants of towers biz.yahoo.com
[22:41] Jetups >> Mark, splitting hairs..yes it's all relative. I mean, you can stop cancer too, just kill everyone.
[22:42] +rhansen >> what is barbaric? I didnt say kill everyone, but we must unseat the current powers to be over there
[22:42] peter >> Mark, you were very right about the buildings' collapse this morning - did they do so in the manner you expected?
[22:42] +rhansen >> they are running a mad house
[22:42] Mark_Leh >> Rhansen, that won't stop it.
[22:43] +rhansen >> it fixed japan
[22:43] +rhansen >> and they were much worse
[22:43] ogm >> Japan isn't really a good comparison
[22:43] Mark_Leh >> Peter, you're in construction too. Without seeing the building plans and seeing where the I-beams are weakened it's hard to tell whether the building will implode or tip over.
[22:44] milliondollars >> how much money is ben ladden worth
[22:44] milliondollars >> ben=bin
[22:44] backman >> good nite, all....may your prayers for loved ones be answered affirmatively.....and may your children never suffer at the hands of terrorists
[22:44] +rhansen >> ogm, it was only a portion of japan that pushed them into what they did
[22:44] peter >> i still can't understand the manner of their collapse
[22:45] +rhansen >> once the concrete piled up it was over
[22:45] harryj >> rhansen: there needs to be coalition against terrorism including Mid East leaders for a solution
[22:45] Parnell >> Peter easy
[22:45] peter >> just the weght Parnell
[22:45] peter >> ?
[22:45] +rhansen >> each floors support was only made for 1 acre of concrete, not 1.5 or 2 or 3
[22:45] Jetups >> I think so rhansen, as upper floors gave way, the inertia just took over
[22:45] Jetups >> but guessing
[22:45] Parnell >> the plane went into the side
[22:45] Parnell >> took out half of the supports
[22:46] peter >> i see, makes sense
[22:46] +rhansen >> once enough concrete piled up, and the first floor broke its supports then it was 2 3 4 ectand there was nothing to stop it
[22:46] Parnell >> the others were significantly weakened by fire
[22:46] Parnell >> thousands of tons above
[22:46] peter >> yeah, that was mystiying, the delay
[22:46] harryj >> peter --after the first floor fell, the supporting structure of each floor afterwards was exceeded, so the overload increased as each floor pancaked down
[22:46] peter >> the heating took that long?
[22:46] +rhansen >> fire probably weakend it enough for 1 floor to give way
[22:46] Jetups >> I wonder how much support was left even before the fires, just from the planes smashing thru
[22:46] milliondollars >> i think the building could handle the plane but not the fuel explosions
[22:47] +rhansen >> jetups, no fire then the building would still be standing
[22:47] Waldeen >> fire takes a while to heat and weaken the ibeams...and the steel beams themselves will burn if the fire is hot enough
[22:47] peter >> oh and Bob, it is wrong to kill thousands of innocent people unless it's a matter of survival
[22:47] Jetups >> probably tru
[22:47] peter >> sneak attack on Hansen
[22:47] +rhansen >> right, 100k pounds of fuel or whatever is a lot of fire
[22:47] +rhansen >> right peter
[22:47] Jetups >> I must admit, I was skeptical when ML said the buildings could go
[22:47] peter >> me too jet
[22:47] peter >> I'll have to listen to Mark's calls now
[22:48] Jetups >> but he's the developer, not me
[22:48] Jetups >> lol
[22:48] peter >> more likely he's an arsonist I think
[22:48] +rhansen >> peter, its more complicated than that:)
[22:48] Waldeen >> No, i figured from the way the fire was burning the buildings would go too
[22:48] milliondollars >> who is ML
[22:48] +rhansen >> mark_leh
[22:48] peter >> I agree Bob ;-)
[22:48] Waldeen >> You can't fight the fire in a tall building's top floors.
[22:48] Waldeen >> Better hope the sprinklers work
[22:49] Jetups >> Waldeen, right. no way
[22:49] chris431 >> whats this on the bottom of CNN?
[22:49] chris431 >> Source: Search will be conducted on location in Daytona, FL
[22:49] chris431 >> what's that mean....
[22:49] chris431 >> on phone...
[22:50] Jetups >> saw that, not sure yet
[22:50] +rhansen >> daytona?
[22:50] petewitt >> ?
[22:50] Jetups >> yes
[22:50] chris431 >> that's what it said on bottom of CNN
[22:50] +rhansen >> thats only 50 miles from me
[22:50] +rhansen >> where is my gun!
[22:50] Jetups >> easy rhansen, you do have a bunker on your new estate don't you?
[22:50] +rhansen >> oops, that's right, i have no gun
[22:51] +rhansen >> that got delayed today jetups, chase manhatten is having problems
[22:52] +rhansen >> they said next tuesday
[22:52] Jetups >> ic
[22:52] +rhansen >> poor new yorkers tonight
[22:52] milliondollars >> cyahow much i this guy worth
[22:52] +rhansen >> if we feel this way, imagine how they feel:(
[22:52] Harpo >> I went to the store tonite, everyone is loading up on beef jerky, batteries, and shotgun shells
[22:53] Jetups >> Harpo where is that
[22:53] +rhansen >> i think his alias would be billiondollors, milliondollars
[22:53] Harpo >> Rural Ohio
[22:53] Jetups >> lol, okay
[22:53] Harpo >> Portsmouth
[22:53] Jetups >> sounds right;-)
[22:53] milliondollars >> oil money
[22:53] +rhansen >> family money
[22:54] +rhansen >> i think he went to oxford and such
[22:54] Harpo >> Jetups, are u united?
[22:54] Harpo >> sad thing
[22:54] +rhansen >> taught his kids french as a primary language if i am not mistaken:)
[22:54] Jetups >> that's Jetter
[22:54] Harpo >> Oh
[22:54] Jetups >> I don't like to fly;-)
[22:54] ogm >> I've been to Portsmouth Ohio. What a fun place :)
[22:55] Harpo >> My dad retired from Delta
[22:55] Harpo >> I'm glad you liked it
[22:55] milliondollars >> good night
[22:55] +rhansen >> night million
[22:55] Harpo >> You must have been lost
[22:55] Waldeen >> Peter, the whole idea of protecting steel ibeams in fires is an interesting technology happening today worldsteel.org
[22:55] Harpo >> Did you know that Portsmouth once had an NFL football team
[22:56] Waldeen >> I've noticed a lot of fire resistant coatings on ibeams, mostly in new parking structures
[22:56] ogm >> Harpo, no, actually I went there for my father in law funreal a couple weeks ago. He was born there.
[22:56] peter >> thx Waldeen, i've noticed that too
[22:56] Harpo >> The Portsmouth Spartans defeated the Green Bay Packers in the first Night Game in NFL History
[22:56] Harpo >> I wish I had known you were here
[22:56] +rhansen >> you have to admit, those buildings were pretty strong, i think you underestimate the weight of a jetliner hitting at that speed
[22:57] Waldeen >> agree bob, I am not underestimating the jetliner packed with fuel
[22:57] +rhansen >> its a shame that the fire got so intense
[22:57] peter >> horrible
[22:58] ogm >> Harpo, do you live there ?
[22:58] +rhansen >> after they fell, and they were showing earlier pictures i couldn't help wishing that they were just still burning:(
[22:58] Harpo >> I don't know for sure, but I would imagine 10 to 12,000 gallons of fuel, or more
[22:58] Harpo >> Yes ogm
[22:58] ogm >> Too bad I didn't know
[22:58] Harpo >> Yes, I would have enjoyed meeting you
[22:58] Harpo >> Where are you?
[22:59] Waldeen >> yes, I was praying they would keep standing
[22:59] ogm >> I'm in New Hampshire
[22:59] Harpo >> ic
[22:59] +rhansen >> we had an accident here where a train hit a gas truck on the tracks, it melted the cars that were parked at the track, including the gas truck
[22:59] +rhansen >> people were frozen in there seats
[22:59] +rhansen >> skeletons i mean
[22:59] Harpo >> When I lived in New York, in the late 70's, the building across the street from where I lived burned
[23:00] Harpo >> It took 200 firefighters 3 days to put it out
[23:00] Harpo >> I was evacuated for over a week
[23:00] Harpo >> The temp was about +5F and the wind was blowing about 25 mph |
