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Pastimes : SI vs. iHub - Battle of the Boards Part 2 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: rrufff who wrote (4847)9/13/2003 10:26:00 PM
From: AK2004  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 5315
 
Your observations are very fair. After your last suspension I posted openly to SI Bob my criticism of his decision and I was suspended for that for a day.
It is a private board and I believe that SI Bob has the right to enforce TOU in any manner he chooses but his enforcement policies would ultimately adversely affect the popularity of SI.
BTW don't be surprised if either you or me or both would be suspended for our posts <ggggggg>



To: rrufff who wrote (4847)9/14/2003 9:16:14 AM
From: d:oug  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5315
 
"I have to say that I do not believe that I have ever initiated
a posting "war" with someone unless I have seen some sort
of overt hate filled post, anti-American or anti-Jewish."
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rrufff,
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I'am sure BobZ will not like what i say next, using another
Silicon Investor member as a reference point, but he has
had these many years here on Si, and now iHub, an example
that demonstrates the correct and positive manner hot topics
outside the markets can be discussed between all the people
on both sides on an issue or "war" using words to try and bring
an end to the death and destruction only process, rather than
the never ending process to never get an agreement for peace.
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I'am sure you know of Dr. Zeev Hed and his family roots,
that he has many times given details in public posts.
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Currently Zeev has two boards on iHub, one a market only,
and the other for current world events that includies a strong
linkage to historic events to mold opinions on each side.
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For you to say that you do not initiate a posting war,
but enter when the other side declares war using words only,
then sorry, you two are no different in substance,
that being to use verbal force & violence,
rather than a learning & understanding process to resolve
a conflict. Same old same never ending situation where 98%
of those on each side are keep from ever being able to cross
over to the other side and live in peace together.
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My view is to have a 3 strike and you are terminated policy
for all Si & iHub members using verbal violence.
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(example of my version of verbal violence)
Full detail on the thread: Are TOU still being...
Where a member posted to another after passengers
on a bus in Israel were killed by a suicide bomber,
this posted said that the other poster must have dressed up
in his Hitler costume and did a dance of joy... etc etc
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This went on and on with no stop eventhought i reported it.
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Sad, as if i were Admin i would treat it like porn, you know it
when you see it, and after the third time you get terminated.
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No death threats or personal info involved here,
just that verbal violence phrase i just made up.

doug



To: rrufff who wrote (4847)9/15/2003 12:52:22 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Respond to of 5315
 
After the second suspension, I purposely stayed away from a poster who I believe has severe mental problems. He has posted among other things that the Jewish religion condones pedophilia, necrophilia, has called posters he feels are Jewish "hook-nosed," "rats" and other assorted niceties, made reference to "matzoh balls" as anatomical as opposed to culinary, etc. He is vehemently against the Iraq war and often times seems to hate everyone, including himself and certainly the USA.
I had a run in with SirVinny also. He's quite fond of insults. He seems incapable of engaging in debate based on fact and logic.

Instead of responding to that poster, I commented to others that this person is a bigot, in fact a "self-knighted" one in reference to his moniker. When this poster read my posts, he decided to post to me again. I, at first, asked him not to do this giving him a reference to SI bob's prior requests or "commands." He persisted and I did respond but with fairly mild stuff. He even offered to meet me "in person" and continued with posts using religious stereotypes.

In any event, I was suspended and the other poster, to my knowledge, was not that time, although he has been suspended in the past.

Say what? I would think that would be taken as a threat, the clown would be terminated, and you wouldn't be touched.

My concern is that SI bob seemed to do this rather arbitrarily. Using the hockey analogy, I got the whistle for the retaliation or even 3d man in AFTER seeing my teamate being slashed. So, maybe the referee is always right because you don't want chaos, I can see this. However, this other poster's content has been so vitriolic, so hate-filled, so stereotypical "fighting words", that many have questioned his sanity. Those posts still exist. Si bob has been notified of them by me and by others.
SI Admin is a tough job. An impossible one, really. Quite often you're darned if you do and darned if you don't. I would agree that there is a fringe element on the site that it would be better off without. SirVinny is one member. "laura bush", who is almost certainly the reincarnation of the infamous bonnuss_in_austin, is another.

I may be wrong and would love to hear pro/con from others. I believe strongly that I was suspended for basically commenting that someone is a bigot, perhaps in a colorful or sarcastic way, while trying to avoid that person with direct posts and yet that poster continues to post and is apparently sanctioned by the powers that be here on SI. It makes it difficult to determine what is "appropriate" under the TOU as determined solely by the resident administrator and owner.
Amen.

And they can terminate Emile Vidrine while they're at it.