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To: Knighty Tin who wrote (260672)	9/16/2003 8:25:19 PM
From: Terry Maloney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

KT, absolutely agree with you on Lincoln ... he's up there with Shakespeare. Don't really know enough about Teddy R to argue, but jeez, doesn't Ike deserve to be counted too, if only for his military-industrial warnings? Can't remember too many other politicians ever telling us the truth ... <g>

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (260672)	9/16/2003 9:07:01 PM
From: robnhood	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

KT, I read somewhere recently on the net where , Lincoln , after the "revolution" tried to get , and even offered to assist blacks to leave America and go to a recently purchased piece of land (Liberia) in Africa.

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (260672)	9/17/2003 8:58:42 AM
From: Mike M2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

KT, I question your assertion that we had higher real wages- perhaps based on phoney gov't stats. The political spin doctors like to credit Clinton with " surpluses" but you know Greenspan's credit bubble created the ephemeral prosperity of the 90s for which we will pay a heavy price. The financial sector benefited at the expense of the manufacturing sector. Corruption? - the Marc Rich pardon speaks volumes about Clinton's integrity. In the 80's we heard much criticism about the growing wealth disparity and trade deficits - it got worse in the 90s yet the press was quiet. Mike

To: Knighty Tin who wrote (260672)	9/17/2003 9:32:47 AM
From: Oblomov	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Yikes, KT, imagine what the media reaction would be if Bush ever subverted civil rights the way that Lincoln did in the course of the War. And TR? He was the closest we ever came to having a homegrown Mussolini. Clinton was just a soft decadent, to be reviled in the long span of history no more than Commodius. Oh, I forgot - Clinton was really good at working the economy control panel on his desk at the Oval Office. Though I think he pressed the "stock market bubble" button way too many times. -g-