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To: aladin who wrote (115034)	9/16/2003 7:56:52 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Imagine what Russia would do with the Chechens> If their own nation doesn't want them, or they don't want to return to the welcoming arms of the Russian secret police, no problem. There are 200 more or less independant nations, and somebody will offer asylum. Sudan. Solomons. Togo. And if all 200 refuse, maybe we can rent some islands, like the Maldives (before global warming disappears them under the waves). An island for Al Queda, an island for Taliban, an island for the last Basque terrorists.... <Bagram is still an open investigation - these take time in our society.> Don't pretend you just fell off the proverbial turnip truck. Those murders happened in the most secure place on a U.S. military base. The kind of place where you have to pass 7 checkpoints, to get into. The kind of place where our military knows exactly who can go there, and when they are there. The base commander knew who did it, within a few hours. The President was told, within a few days. Alternately, a deliberate decision was made, not to find out, not to ask, not to pass the information up the command chain. Plausible Deniability, CYA. Even if you accept the implausible theory that they can't find out who did it (and if they don't know yet, they never will), that changes nothing. They are still responsible. The whole chain of command is responsible for those murders, from the guy whose hands actually got bloody, all the way up to the President. And the guys at the very top of the command chain are the most responsible.

To: aladin who wrote (115034)	9/17/2003 5:54:46 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Not so John. <Britain makes a fuss because they don't have a death penalty, but has a long history of killing terrorists while capturing them* (IRA etc).*> It used to impress me how Britain would capture IRA terrorists, by waiting for them to give up. Sending in food and negotiating a surrender. They did that many many times. Which is why there were plenty of prisoners in prison in a position to go on hunger strikes. The comparison with the crazy mad Yanks who would have a huge turkey shoot was like night and day. The Americans shoot first and negotiate later. They couldn't even catch David Koresh and cronies at Waco without an insane turkey shoot and mass gassing and fry up of heaps [literally] of children, women and some wacko religionists. The first I recall of on the hoof killing of IRA was in Spain, where there was no intent to take them prisoner. I think that was in response to the bombing of Brighton and the killing of Mountbatten and a few other instances of IRA attacks. Usually, IRA people were arrested rather than killed. The British were very good at doing that. Heck, in fairness to the IRA, they weren't always barbaric. The IRA used to issue warnings to enable evacuation [often]. Not at Omagh though. Nor the Tower of London. Nor at Brighton. Nor with Mountbatten. Mqurice