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To: tejek who wrote (175172)	9/17/2003 10:33:53 AM
From: brian1501	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1584218

Until the reasons and motivations for the terrorists' behavior have been substantively reduced, the violence will continue no matter how much you punish them. Its true in Palestine, its true in N. Ireland, it was true in Vietnam, its true in Afghanistan, it was true in Lebanon......the list goes on. Discipline and punishment work only with common criminals and cowards, not ideologues and terrorists. So, basically, you're suggesting we give the terrorists what they want. Fixing the "reasons and motivations" for their behavior is just a fancy way of saying "give them whatever they want, just make them stop!". I disagree. If you bargain with terrorists you are making their entire way of fighting legitimate. Brian

To: tejek who wrote (175172)	9/17/2003 12:54:12 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1584218

Until the reasons and motivations for the terrorists' behavior have been substantively reduced, the violence will continue no matter how much you punish them. This is not usually true although at times the punishment has to be so great that it is very difficult to dish out. The Palestinians caused violence in Jordan and other Arab countries and they were mostly stopped by the brutal use of force. Its true in Palestine, its true in N. Ireland, it was true in Vietnam, its true in Afghanistan, it was true in Lebanon. I've already mentioned the Palestinians but will add that Israel has been far less brutal then the Arabs and that is one reason the violence continues. Not that I'm calling on Israel to be that brutal, even though it might end the violence it would probably kill a lot more people then the violence is killing now. It isn't complete yet in Northern Ireland and if the IRA had been allowed free rain then they would have had no incentive to settle for anything other then total victory. In Vietnam it ended when one side gave up. That isn't a settlement by understanding reasons and motivations, it was in the end a settlement by brute force when the North invaded the south and imposed its will with conventional military forces. In Afghanistan the terrorists behavior has been reduced by massive application of force. Sure in many cases its good to seek a settlement but you can't not fight back before the settlement is reached unless you figure the settlement will be total capitulation to the enemy. Don't confuse the suicide bombers and Hamas with the general population. I'm not The suicide bombers are a very small part of the Palestinian fatalities. Its the average Palestinian who is getting it the worst. And that fact does not change anything about what I said. The paragraph you quoted is still 100% true. Its very true. Few make the pretense anymore that we have won We have won the war. "Winning the peace" has not happened, in fact its possible it may not happen but you basically said it was impossible that it will happen and that is what I said was not true. Tim