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To: Jamey who wrote (35631)	9/17/2003 9:49:38 PM
From: Sidney Reilly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

Something to think about? So intent are both the state and the church in the United States on creating a mutually reinforcing DICTATORSHIP, and so intertwined have both the state and the church become in this endeavor, that neither can survive without the other anymore. The state needs the church to give moral "covering" (i.e., legitimacy) to what it is doing (after all, it can no longer rely on the support of the people), and the church needs the money the state (and the elites) provide to feed its voracious appetite for material wealth. And so obvious has all this become, that even unbelievers can see it - not only in this country, but abroad as well. It's PRECISELY for this reason that the Bible pictures the relationship between the two [i.e., between the state (i.e., George Bush's American New World Order System) and the church (i.e., the evangelical church of C. Peter Wagner, Tim LaHaye, Pat Robertson, etc.)] as a WOMAN (the church) riding a BEAST (the state). For example, George Monbiot of the British newspaper, The Guardian, writes: "The United States is no longer just a nation. It is now a religion. Its soldiers have entered Iraq to liberate its people not only from their dictator, their oil and their sovereignty, but also from darkness. As George Bush told his troops on the day he announced victory: 'Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, "To the captives, 'come out', and to those in darkness, 'be free'." endtimesnetwork.com

To: Jamey who wrote (35631)	9/19/2003 11:37:09 AM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 39621

"A church does not have to have a charter from a denomination to qualify as a church. Do you know what charter that the early Christian church was?" I'm not sure if you think the early church was a charter but I know it didn't go down heresy highway. The Church has always believed in the physical resurrection of Christ's body and in His future physical return to this earth. It's little wonder that you reject the Apostles Creed which all churches big and small recognise as an accurate reflection of scripture and the teaching of the earliest church. I challenge you (once again) to produce evidence from early church writings that your view has ever been held. I asked you before as I recall and you failed to provide even one citation. Instead we get your so called "NEW TRUTH". You're the big history buff, where's the Beef?