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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (115268)	9/19/2003 3:20:21 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I understand your point of view, and yet I think your selective vision guards you from any sense whatsoever that Israel plays a role in this cycle of violence -- you see one point of view and one only. That approach will not lead to a solution.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (115268)	9/19/2003 4:48:10 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<Arafat, who has poisoned the minds of another generation into thinking that the Jews never had anything to do with Palestine, the Temple never existed, the Holocaust never happened, the country of Arab Palestine existed forever.> Nadine, with the Jews poisoning their children's minds too, about a promised land, a chosen people and other superstitious madness, it's not surprising that there's conflict. Actually, I don't think Arafat says at all that Jews never had anything to do with Palestine. I doubt that many people who know anything at all about religious history [I know next to nothing and I know it] think that Jews didn't have anything to do with the area. I don't know what temple you are referring to [I'm inclined to think they should all be bulldozed and something sensible built in their place, such as a UNO HQ]. But I doubt that Arafat asserts it never existed. Everyone knows there were hordes of Jews, and a lot more besides, killed in Nazi concentration camps. I doubt that Arafat is unaware of it or tells people it didn't happen. He probably wishes the Germans had done a better job so that he and his Palestinian gang don't have to try to take over Israel and the rest of the area and face a lot of opposition. Actually, no Jews alive today had anything to do with Palestine back when The Temple existed. The idea that "a people" [which is a laughable concept which the South Africans had trouble sustaining and so did the Nazi Aryan Racists and so does anyone who tries to keep boys and girls apart - see Fiddler on the Roof] can claim ownership because some of their ancestors might have lived somewhere once upon a time a thousand years or 10,000 years ago and therefore have rights to usurp those who live there now is insane. Insane meaning "does not match reality". Unfortunately, until very recently and including now in many instances, ownership has been established by conquest. Even now, Halliburton is banking some hefty profits of possession by conquest. The idea of the UN was to replace that method with something more aligned with human ideals. Israel has taken property by conquest and terrorism [homicide bombing, though not suicide bombing] in living memory, so it's not as though they are against possession by conquest. So they shouldn't whine about what happened many centuries ago. Especially they shouldn't whine when they base their rationale on superstitious irrationality. Forget about 2000 years ago. That's over. We can't go back. Many of the Jews in Israel aren't from there. They are imports with superstitious madness in their minds. They have less right of tenure than local Palestinians who were born there. Say I, Mqurice PS: Yes, I'm aware that the Christian wackoes would drool at the prospect of a UNO HQ on The Temple site as this would a sign of the Mark of the Beast leading directly to the Promised Land, [see Revelations 3.1, chapter 7, article 42], Armageddon [wheeeee.....] and the Second Coming. Making sense with the unholy triad of Jews, Moslems and Christians is a good trick.