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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: The Philosopher who wrote (75156)	9/19/2003 7:53:13 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 82486

I'm off for a bit. Back later.

To: The Philosopher who wrote (75156)	9/19/2003 8:39:44 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Let me pull a Chris Hodgkin. Please don't. <g> So, if the Nazis believed that the Final Solution was better for the Jews, that's all that mattered? You're running way down the road with something that was meant to be very limited in scope. The scope was clearly stated in the referenced clip. We were talking about motivation. If the Nazis really believed that about the Jews, then that's all that matters to establish motivation. Doesn't make what they did with that belief right. It just informs us about their motivation. I always find it useful to understand motivation. Motivation doesn't alter what happened, of course, as I said in my earlier post, but it MAY be mitigating as far as judging the act and it most definitely helps in developing strategies to deal with the problem. Belief is a tricky thing to work with. People believe in all sorts of things. Why, some people even believe in invisible friends. <g> Since belief is not a logical, scientific construct, you can't expect to disabuse someone of a belief by "correcting" them and you just piss them off and further entrench them if you ridicule them. Now, if your objective is just to make yourself feel superior and them look dumb, I guess those are useful ways to respond. But if you'd like them to reevaluate the belief, those responses won't get you anywhere. You have to accept a belief as a given for that person and proceed from there. Accepting a belief as a given is not the same as accepting the belief, itself, or justifying the action that ensued from the belief. You've heard people say "I believe that you believe it." It's an affirmation of the person's belief, not acceptance or approval of it or justification for any action taken based on it.