Silicon Investor (SI) -- The First Internet Community

STOCKTALK

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor. We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community. If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.

Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (115370)	9/21/2003 12:16:02 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, you are the mirror-image of the anti-semitic Holocaust-Denier. You are a Palestinian-Denier. You Deny they have a history, a land, a culture, an identity. You Deny they even exist (you call them Arabs who happen to live inconveniently on the LandOfTheJews). You Deny, They Deny, the war goes on. Someday, The Holocaust-Deniers will have as many nuclear weapons as the Palestinian-Deniers now have. And then maybe it'll all be true: there will come a day when there really won't be any Jews or Palestinians (except in their respective Diasporas).

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (115370)	9/21/2003 9:17:52 PM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Every single country in the Americas (some of which have been fully settled quite recently). Not to mention the huge expansion of Russia in the twentieth century. Or China, which is founding a new Tibet. There's always Pakistan and the little movement of populations that it caused. In each of these cases the native population resisted to the best of their ability, and accepted any help they could get. In some cases the native population is still resisting. Each case involved widespread atrocities, sometimes to the point of genocide. This is what happens when people decide to make other people’s lands their own. Why should we blame people for resisting? Everywhere else, in fact, we are inclined to praise those who resist. the only unique thing about Israel is that it was founded by Jews. In some ways, yes. The British would never have allowed Jewish immigration to Palestine, if not for the privileged place that Jews enjoyed in the mythology that prevailed in Britain in those days. But really, do you think the local population would have stepped aside graciously if they were being displaced by Frenchmen, or Englishmen, or Germans? I doubt it. The Syrians never lived there. The Egyptians never lived there. The Lebanese never lived there. Iraqis never lived there. The Saudis never lived there. Heck, half the Palestinians never lived there themselves until after WWI. Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese, and Saudis aren’t blowing up Israelis, or being blown up by them. The people Israel is fighting are the people they displaced. Many Americans didn’t live here until after WW2. Would it be acceptable for a foreign intruder to displace them? Who has spent 60 years funding the violence? America, among others. Who finds the concentration on the "The Question of Palestine" very convenient at preventing reform? The Arab States find the Palestine question a very convenient substitute for distracting their people from domestic issues. If you give a despot a lever, the lever will be used. Who provided the lever? The Palestinians aren't being asked to disappear. They're being asked to compromise The Palestinians were offered a choice: remain in a state where they could never be anything but second class citizens, or become refugess. That did not give much opportunity for compromise. Palestinian nationalism didn't even exist 50 years ago It began around 75-80 years ago, though naturally it started in rudimentary form. It was created by the choice cited above. The question of whether the Palestinian Arabs constituted a “nation” at that time is supremely irrelevant. Stripping individuals of their right to self-determination does not become acceptable if those people are not a “nation”.