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To: Ilaine who wrote (38556)	9/21/2003 3:02:11 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net	Respond to of 74559

Hi CB: That Rosary and lederhosen comment was stupid. It hints at the most visible attributes of Bavaria and CSU (christlich Soziale Union) that governs in Bavaria for I guess more than two decades. Yes, rosary stands for the catholic church and lederhosen for "mir san mir" ("we're what we are") Bavarians. Still, there's more to Bavaria than just that - it's much the same thing as saying US equals #1 maxed at McD and Statue of liberty. Which is just a sign of ignorance. Fact is that Bavaria has always been the "something speshal" in the German state - since 1870 Id guess. The problem is that two thirds majority makes it nearly a monarchy (back again) and even if CSU can strut around with some impressive numbers, the absence of real alternative or corrective is no good. The best suggestion I heard was that Bavarian SPD (social democrats) should splitt off the federal SPD and create (similar to the CDU-CSU duality) something like a CSP - ChristSocialistic Party - and act strictly within Bavaria only (just as CDU keeps out of Bavaria and leaves the field to CSU). This way they could get rid of the sin load of Berlin and concentrate on just local issues. Nough of local crumbs. Regards dj

To: Ilaine who wrote (38556)	9/21/2003 5:59:58 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

CB, I'll have to ask Google about these latest Catholic sexual deviancies you mentioned. I've never heard of them but although I don't understand it, I'm aware of the homosexual one: <I am going through one of my devout phases. I still have problems (I think priests should be married and not homosexual, I don't really understand filioque', and can never keep consubstantiation straight from transubstantiation) and I don't like the fact that in large part the Church seems to be on a power trip, but still in my mind it is THE church. I've been looking at a lot of other churches, but I keep coming back because I believe that Christ performed miracles and rose from the dead. I don't think that's a metaphor. > Filioque' sounds my sort of deviancy. It has a bit of je ne sais quoi about it, whereas transubstantiation and the con version seem somewhat brutal and unfeeling. It always amazes me that people who are otherwise cynical and grounded in perceptual reality will believe superstitious men dressed in ladies' clothes telling them patently absurd propositions about mythical events for which there is zero evidence other than hearsay, handed down by a thousand Chinese whispers. It shows the power of the Stockholm Syndrome, primate dominance hierarchies, tribalism and identity over the vaunted Free Will which mystics assert we wield. I suppose we all are victims and beneficiaries of the process, whether we know it or not and we obviously don't know it, so I suppose I'm a victim too. Can I get money for being a victim? Those who are not victims are labeled schizophrenic, psychotic, autistic, Aperger's, or Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disordered and brought to heel with some Prozac, Ritalin, ropes, cages, sticks or other cruel and unusual punishment. It's a MAD MAD MAD MAD world. You should join my church. I'm the reincarnation of Jesus and the joining fees are very reasonable. You've heard of the second coming I suppose. Well, it wasn't by fire and brimstone. It was the regular method. You just have to believe in me. Have faith. If you don't want to join, I have a bridge for sale = the old Mangere Bridge. Which is excellent for fishing, walking, swimming [now that the harbour pollution is quickly clearing after decades of total mayhem; rubbish tipped in, sewage and stormwater piped in, oil and offal and all sorts dumped into an open drain]. When I was 4, it was a perfectly clean harbour. Then for decades it deteriorated by gross pollution and totally died [I couldn't find a single living thing in it a decade ago, like the Schelde river in Antwerp]. Now it has things growing in it again. Mqurice PS: Google doesn't have a very good photo, but here's a bad one from an aircraft acomodata.com The straight edge of land in the foreground is the edge of the Pikes Point rubbish dump reclamation which was closed a couple of decades ago. The microlights land on it [and light aircraft]. Google and cyberspace have got a LOT of improving to do. I should be able to link you to a stereoscopic image for 3D viewing of it right now, complete with surround sound and zoom.

To: Ilaine who wrote (38556)	9/21/2003 7:12:04 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Respond to of 74559

Hi CB, I don't think that's a metaphor We agree on something here :o) I'm one but I somehow doubt God is so venal so as to require such details... It's funny though how dogma can bog down a worthwhile set of rules for life... Kind of like politicians and democracy.. Con is with .. you know like chile con carné ;o) ... Whereas Trans is from ---> to ... more like e=mc^2.. newadvent.org newadvent.org regards Jaded in Scarberia..