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To: steve dietrich who wrote (462838)	9/22/2003 12:10:47 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

These OIL BOYZ just can't STOP with this seeming narcotic of trying to ruin the last vestiges of wilderness for their stinking polluting oil Republicans Set to Spell Out Plan for Oil Drilling in Refuge September 22, 2003 By CARL HULSE WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 - Republican authors of the emerging energy bill will formally propose opening the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling as they begin to reveal the more contentious elements of the legislation this week, Congressional officials say. A draft of the measure, to be made public as early as Monday, will incorporate a House-passed plan to let oil and gas companies begin exploration while confining production plants to 2,000 acres on the coastal plain of the 19 million-acre refuge, officials said. The proposal is part of a new set of agreements between Senator Pete V. Domenici of New Mexico and Representative Billy Tauzin of Louisiana, the two Republicans who are leading the energy negotiations. It is being released for review by others involved in the energy talks and for eventual consideration by the conference committee. The two lawmakers have made clear they support drilling in the refuge, but their decision to try to add it to the legislation at this stage of the negotiations is certain to reignite strong resistance to the drilling plan from Senate opponents and conservation groups. Drilling proponents said they hoped to entice a few Democrats and moderate Republicans who oppose the Alaskan exploration by emphasizing other pet projects and programs that will be included in the overall measure. For instance, projects that benefit the coal industry and a plan to increase the use of corn-based ethanol have significant Democratic backing. "Some Democratic senators say if some things are in there, they will vote for this bill no matter what," one Senate aide said. "What we are going to do is really put it to the test." A senior Democratic aide, however, pointed to past Senate votes against the drilling plan. "They have tried to link it to lots of different things," said Robert M. Simon, the top staff member for Democrats on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Mr. Domenici has said repeatedly that he will not include the drilling in the final version of the measure if he does not have the 60 votes to overcome a Senate filibuster. "We're going to have to determine whether the inclusion of ANWR will kill this or not," he said last week after a meeting with President Bush. "If it's going to kill it, it's not going to be in. But if we can pass it with it on there, it's going to be on there. And everybody understands that." Even if Republicans eventually have to drop the drilling plan to pass the final bill, some acknowledge potential benefits in that result: they can then point to the concession on drilling to quiet Democrats unhappy that the bill is being written mainly by Republicans and environmental groups critical of the measure's benefits for the energy industry. Last week's energy negotiations were devoted to less divisive subjects, like energy efficiency and hydrogen fuels. But with Congressional leaders now hoping to deliver a bill to Mr. Bush by mid-October, the talks will enter a more intense phase in the days ahead. Besides the language on the Alaska drilling, the authors of the measure intend to unveil proposals on ethanol, automobile mileage and hydropower - all issues that have been contentious in the past. Those disputes have helped stall the energy measure in Congress for the last two years. But the August blackout provided new momentum for energy policy and made complex legislation governing the nation's electric power industry a central focus of the energy bill debate. Aides said the proposed electricity provisions, which are being heavily lobbied by the utility industry, could be released this week. In anticipation of a new push for arctic drilling, Senate Democrats have been making their sentiments known. Last week, they announced that 43 senators had signed letters urging the negotiators to keep drilling out of the final measure, more than enough to block it if they all supported a filibuster. "If the energy bill contains drilling in ANWR, it's in for a rough ride," said Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois. In votes on the issue this year and in 2002, drilling opponents prevailed both times with more than 50 votes. The position that the energy bill sponsors will advocate was adopted by the House in April after Democrats fell short in their push to kill it. It requires the Department of Interior to create an "environmentally sound" oil and gas leasing program within the refuge. To ease criticism, the area open to production and the accompanying support facilities would be limited to 2,000 acres. Opponents of the proposal said any exploration could spoil the wilderness and harm wildlife there and complained that the 2,000 acres could be scattered along the refuge's 1.5 million-acre coastal plain. Mr. Tauzin said lawmakers should wait until they saw the final proposal on the arctic drilling before making up their minds. "There are 30 different versions of what you might do in ANWR," he said, "from full-blown exploration to all sorts of different iterations, some involving protecting other lands, some involving swapping lands, some involving putting millions of acres of land into special protection." nytimes.com CC

To: steve dietrich who wrote (462838)	9/23/2003 12:26:17 AM
From: Krowbar	Respond to of 769670

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