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To: GraceZ who wrote (13853)	9/23/2003 6:40:10 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

grace, if there were no social programs for the poor (many of whom have their background square in the ravages of slavery), you may well be dead instead of missing a car. in that case, i'll bet you'd support the programs, right? but we'll never know. i agree there is a better solution than the current one. however, i don't believe your solution is better. nor do i believe it is rational. a rational approach wouldn't "major in the minors." eg, a rational approach would start with "corporate welfare," which costs this country much more money than poverty reduction welfare. what would you want to happen if you and your 9 month old kid were broke with no roof on your head, no education, abusive parents who mistreated you and distorted your world view... would you sit there and understand as your child starved to death... or froze to death... would you be cool with that?

To: GraceZ who wrote (13853)	9/24/2003 1:18:03 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 306849

"I'm not saying people procreate with the idea that they'll get extra money back on their taxes, but I do know that people limit the number of children they have based on what they think they can afford to support." The latter observation does not support (logically) your previous statement. Also, the "affordability" of support is a very stretchable issue. I can't afford to support my two kids with full cost of attendence at Princeton with a BMW. So what? "I was mugged years ago by three kids from government subsidized housing" I didn't mean individual crime, I meant a large-scale riots or revolutions. I think you are making one mistake: you blame everything on parents and their past. You need to look forward and recognize that realization of "dreams of poor children" depends on current conditions and how their expectations are set against available resources. Those miserable few hundred bucks in child credit do not make much difference with this regard. Regards, - Ali