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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (115944)9/29/2003 8:23:52 PM
From: FaultLine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
who do you think will win in the temporal sphere

Lawyers?

--ken@tort.com



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (115944)9/29/2003 8:24:29 PM
From: Sig  Respond to of 281500
 
<<Anyway, who do you think will win in the temporal sphere, The Christian Crusaders or Islamic Jihad?>>>
Some neat words about serpent crushing and lilies..but nothing about lawyers..
contemplator.com
I have read a fiery gospel writ
In burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with My contemners,
So with you My grace shall deal":
Let the Hero born of woman
Crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.

Chorus

He has sounded forth the trumpet
That shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men
Before His judgement seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him;
Be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.

Chorus

In the beauty of the lilies
Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom
That transfigures you and me;
As He died to make men holy,
Let us die to make men free;
While God is marching on.



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (115944)9/30/2003 3:24:44 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<I think the doctoring industry had more to do with Faultline's survival than a supernatural being having a special interest in Ken.>

We went through a similar tragedy in July -Aug in our family, the bills were no less but the supernatural being was not interested, much as well feel totally in control we are not Maurice, ashes to ashes, dust to dust is our ultimate destiny, those of us who happen to play a longer inning due to a dropped catch or the supernatural being not interested in our celestial presence have some more time to do some more good that good is love of near ones and love for mankind at large.

<In Osama's book, Allah was falling down on the job when he had another infidel right there in his grasp. Ken slipped right through his fingers. I suppose that means that the Christian triad [father, son and Holy Ghost - not to mention Mary, and women in the USA are NOT just innocent bystanders] is more powerful than Allah, who has to work alone.>

I really don’t understand this question fully, however I will reply the way I get it.

Osama represents for me the lowest point of human evolution, like ‘Hitler’s trinity’ was not able to cannon fodder Einstein and many other notable human beings whose only mistake were that they were born Jews although ‘Hitler's trinity’ was successful in eliminating millions on the same count. ‘Trinity’ was not powerful enough to save millions from neither Holocaust nor Jews Yod - Hay - Vav – Hay. I think, in similar vein Osama’s Allah and Hitler’s Trinity and Jews Adonai El Elohah Elohim Shadai Tzeva'ot finds it very difficult to correct an artificially intelligent virus that has corrupted the hardwires like Osama and Hitler. Hijacking of Trinity and Allah’s by the manic is the threat that we face, we all will culpable of collective guilt if we let the name of deities define our wars, that is how the present war is wrongly characterized as 'war of civilizations,' for me it is war of 'fusion of mankind,' it is mankind coming together and these extreme reactions are last cry of the wicked, the connectivity is playing a role our inhibitions to react to new ideas is the catalyst here.

Do you recognize what has let us to win over these decadent people it is the optimism of human race, it is our recuperativeability, it is our love that has sewn our destiny together in a fragmented world.

Allah of Muslims and Trinity of Christians are not at war, it has always been the evil within these communities who take upon themselves to correct the people and put them on the path of righteousness. Ethnic cleansing, holocaust, first world war, 2nd world war, the war in Vietnam the Cambodian war, Korean conflict, the wars waged against infidels USSR were not crusades they were all political battles and were fought and won as such, at the moment I have no doubt that trinity believers have a lot to answer in the world to come.

Osama’s Allah has denied them tools to rake equal disasters, the medieval technology they employ is representative of their stone age cave living, that is understandable that cave man living in stone age can be so ferocious and destroy innocents with such vehemence what has been more disturbing away to me that why the followers of Trinity with background of Beethoven, Mozart and Goethe became such great enemies of humanity. Deities on this basis should be left alone, the present disputes which are far deeper and far more representative of wretched minds of demented human, we should assume collective responsibility of human actions, and we do fail by ignoring poverty, misery and inequality that lead to such pain inflicted on mankind at large.

Our creator whatever names we give them are more interested in life than in death or carnage, bloodshed represents depravity and debauchery.

My God, Osama’a Allah, Krishna’s Baghwan Devaki-nandana Bhakta-vatsala Varadaraja, Radha-ramana, the lover of Radharani. He is Govinda, who gives pleasure to the cows and to everyone's senses And He is Krishna. Jamsehd’s Ashwer and your trinity with the Lord in the Kabbalistic traditions: Eheia Jod Elohim El Elohim Gibor are neither powerful nor strong, these super natural forces are forces of construction, we don’t need to see their power, their manifestation are we complex human beings bestowed with faculty of reasoning and self knowledge we can make it or break it, it is we who fail our lords.

The natural course is course of self respect and development, crusades and Islamic Jihad are and were bound to fail, we as humanity will resurrect from our lowest point and unite that is our destiny, our mother earth has only one destiny, one world one race, rest everything is peripheral, that is where we are moving too, that is what all this connectivity is all about, the rising of super consciousness. Just relax the fight will be won as usual by friends of mankind as we have in more than 20 conflicts in the 20th century. Only the prefixes of Osama’s Allah and Hitler’s Trinity are at war, Allah and trinity are quite at peace!

The mankind at large is at peace, their are six billion people on this globe of ours some are trinity followers, some follow baghwan, some follow God other Allah and super natural being, they are mostly at peace and sleep very peacefully the humanity at war is no more than 2 percent of the total population, even that is being resolved through peaceful manner. "God has no name," but we cannot limit the Unlimited. Since God is unlimited, His names also must be unlimited. Therefore we cannot settle on one name. However we can settle on one thing, Gods don’t fight, it is we humans who destroy the balance and fight for our ego and control. Vaishnava Philosophy deals with God very comprehensively; There is only one God, but He is known under many different names. Just as there is only one sun that is known under many different names. These names are given according to time, place and circumstances and are, in the case of God, always connected to His characteristics. The very word "God" is derived from the ancient Germanic word gudda, meaning "the All-good." The Lord has innumerable characteristics, like His innumerable devotees and innumerable relations with them, and He therefore also has innumerable names. Gos don't fight also as they represent virtues.