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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (75903)9/30/2003 4:52:45 PM
From: one_less  Respond to of 82486
 
"Exactly, so why did it take you so long to acknowledge it?

uuuerrh??? so long ... How about from the git go? and repeatedly thereafter... Like I said the amazing part of the discussion to me was that you all kept over looking that acknowledgment to expound empty rhetoric...

Now you are chortling with solon on my blood pressure... did you happen to notice the last 20 or so irate posts he sent to me with tainted with numerous lamblasting flamery...to which I reacted with calm ... talk abochyr paradoxical attitudes ... lol

revelant: 1) an inane display; as in, drunken revel. 2) portrayal of chicanery in celebration.



To: Lane3 who wrote (75903)9/30/2003 5:12:44 PM
From: one_less  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
"I really admired you back when you swore off puddles...

Avast ye woman... never would I have sunk to such a level... puddles-r-me-life

What I swore off of was the use of flame words like idi*t and fuc*er and such. That was only because the language police ruined very lively and interesting discussions by harping on decorum. Besides, flaming words demonstrate that one is at a loss for expressing the essence of discord, and is too weak to challenge it directly....as is harping on decorum btw...

...which carries a certain weight that Mojo must recognize and accommodate in some constructive fashion if he's going to get what he wants.

recognize??? The man could hardly have taken the stand that he did unless he recognises the status quo, analyzes its merit, weighs the pros and cons of taking his stand and determines as a matter of intelligence and conscience that his position is justified as a matter of good conscience.

Accommodation: Is merely his willingness to ensure that his operation is, while being a positive and healthy service to his clients, causing harm to no one...which he has done.

What you meant by accommodation was to agree to not be who he is because it makes you uncomfortable.

Chris bragged that he could prosecute the guy for his behavior, and that any defense I could muster would be crushed...ooooh wadamaaa'n ... lol. When challenged to put up or shut up, he went silent.

You kept harping that he should change his practice but the only reason you could offer was because that’s the way everyone else does it and we wouldn’t want to throw a wrench in the system.

Lots of lame allegations were cast at him but they amounted to simple baseless character assassination.

Accommodate what...your views of his character (which are frankly a bit hypocritical given your complaints)...would that make you feel better?



To: Lane3 who wrote (75903)9/30/2003 5:35:48 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
Evangelical Christians to the rescue
By Nicholas D. Kristof
MAPUTO, Mozambique -

Mention the words "evangelical missionary," and many Americans conjure up an image of redneck zealots forcing starving children to be baptized before they get a few crusts of bread.

In reality, the wave of activity abroad by U.S. evangelicals is one of the most important - and welcome - trends in our foreign relations.

I disagree strongly with most evangelical Christians, theologically and politically. But I tip my hat to them abroad.

In a house beside the filthy garbage dump here in Mozambique's capital, a 17-year-old named Sonia Angeline was giving birth in early June.

She had no doctor, no midwife, and after four days in labor, she was a hairsbreadth from becoming one more Mozambican woman to die in childbirth.

Fortunately, at that moment Katrin Blackert, 23, a volunteer for Iris Ministries, an American mission, dropped by as part of her regular visits to children living at the dump.

Blackert rushed Angeline to the hospital, paid the bill for the emergency Caesarean out of her own pocket (OK, it was only $4), and saved the life of both mother and baby. The help was extended solely on the basis of need, for Angeline doesn't attend church.

Evangelical missionaries are controversial because they're very aggressive about gaining converts, so they antagonize long-established religions and create rifts in communities.

Critics say they're bribing the poor with food to persuade them to change their faith. There is some of that.

Iris Ministries offers meals with its Sunday services, and that's one reason they're well-attended. When local people come to seek cash for medicine or food, they usually get the handout - but only after they join in prayer.

But I'm convinced that we should all celebrate the big evangelical push into Africa because the bottom line is that it will mean more orphanages, more schools and, above all, more clinics and hospitals. Particularly when AIDS is ravaging Africa, those church hospitals are lifesavers.

"In most of Africa, these are the cornerstone of the health system," said Helene Gayle, who directs AIDS work for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. "In some countries, they serve more people than the government health system."

The evangelicals abroad are mostly pragmatists, not ideologues, so they should be a good influence on the Christian Right. While fundamentalists in America blindly oppose condom distribution, evangelicals in Africa see their friends dying of AIDS. They thunder against sexual immorality - but often hand out condoms.

"We don't condone adultery, but we're pragmatic enough to see the country we live in," said Steven Lazar, who runs Iris Ministries' orphanage. He notes that in nearly all the Christian weddings he attends in Mozambique, the bride is pregnant.

One of the evangelicals' most important influences is combating the second-class status of women and girls, by evangelizing not only for God, but also for equality of the sexes.

Pentecostalists, who make up one of the fastest-growing sects, preach faith healing and raising from the dead, but they also give a substantial voice in church to ordinary village women. And that in turn empowers women in the home and community.

"In our Mozambican culture, women don't have an active voice in the family," explained Ana Zaida, who teaches Bible school.

"But in Christian life, we discover that not just the husband but also the wife can have a role. So the wives fight to transform their husbands."

At the end of my interview, Lazar prayed for me - and came pretty close to asking the Almighty to ensure that I wrote a nice column. The episode underscored the difference between my world and theirs.

Yet while it sounds strange to say so, evangelicals may be Africa's most important feminist influence today.

And how can one not welcome their growing presence as Angeline tells of her rescue and cradles a lovely baby girl - not surprisingly, named Katrin.

* Nicholas D. Kristof is a columnist for The New York Times, 229 W. 43rd St., New York, NY 10036; e-mail: nicholas@nytimes.com.