To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (1520 ) 10/6/2003 11:36:28 PM From: Lizzie Tudor Respond to of 1641 some of your post I agree with, I will try to hit each point. First of all this conversation makes something clear to me that I had not considered. All along, my feeling has been that the reason CA legislature goes after "small business" <wink wink> is because they are actually trying to get at big business and sleazy outsourcing tactics, this problem is rampant in california. It started with outsourcing menial labor to "subcontractors" while paying minimum wage with no benefits and finally culminated in these offshore Visas where huge amts of staff are brought in for months at a time and paid in "room and board" + offshore bank accts, therefore avoiding taxes completely. The mechanism large corps use to achieve their aim of cutting off a certain level of their workforce, is the "small subcontractor" (read: small business). AS IF the goal was for co's like oracle to paying 800 M in taxes has some kind of "value added" component. no... the states, the feds tax the oracles, intels, and you name it corporations BECAUSE THEY CAN... and then.... THEY decide how the money is wasted. Wrong. The companies here were given LARGE CORPORATE TAX BREAKS including a statewide moratorium on internet taxes with the assumption that they would provide good, high paying employment here and lift the economy. None of the deals dished out to Oracle and Applied and others had provision for huge, offshore labor forces taxi-ing in and out of the state with no local wages on the books. Had the California legislature known that this was the likely outcome, I doubt they would have bid on the business. You of course realize that the brick and mortar businesses in the state are screaming bloody murder about an internet tax moratorium.... you're comfortable with corporations shunting off health care expense to the government...(read taxpayers) but of course we've seen with gray davis what happens when that occurs.... his solution... shunt the cost back to corporations (read taxpayers through higher prices...hello!!! got pricing power??? nope....) I can't stand Gray Davis. But tell me how you would handle a situation where companies are bringing hundreds of workers into the state on temporary work visas and not paying their health coverage while they receive no local pay? You can't charge the staff- they have no money. They are paid "room and board" by the fine small business "Poland offshore consultants Inc". the rest of your post is so bizarre it doesn't even warrant a response. but trust me....i'm sure any of the other 49 other states will be more than happy to take the orcl's off of CA's hands (that is if india doesn't get them first) and i will sit here at a distance and i will marvel at how you are willing for politics sake to watch your state financially implode. amazing Yeah whatever. Put a proposal together and bid for oracle, please, so that I can start a new quality company out here and kiss their sorry ass goodbye. The stock is a short anyway it hasn't rallied for months. Nor will it rally again, probably ever unless we get a naz above 4000 and oracle boat floats with the others.