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To: Neocon who wrote (116331)10/7/2003 1:23:57 PM
From: GST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
So what? Nothing of any substance has been accomplished to improve our national security -- on the contrary, we are drifting towards a larger regional war in the middle east while drifting towards nuclear war with North Korea. There is a real threat of nuclear terror that has not been addressed by Bush -- and it has nothing to do with Iraq. Our money is being wasted in Iraq and our sons and daughters are being killed while other more pressing matters are left unattended.



To: Neocon who wrote (116331)10/7/2003 2:38:47 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Neocon; Re: "Yes, and at the same time, services are being returned to pre- war levels, businesses are reopening, most towns have elected councils ..."

It's good to know that healthier, wealthier, better fed and happier Iraqis will be shooting at us instead of the sick, poor, hungry and sad ones that we've had to deal with so far. I suppose that the next piece of good news is that the expenses in Iraq will cause OUR citizens to end up sick, poor, hungry and sad. Will that improve the performance of the US military? I doubt it.

The problem is that improving the conditions in Iraq doesn't make the locals love us any more than improving the conditions in Palestine made the locals there love the Israelis. We are the occupier, and we will be shot at until we leave.

As to "Iraqis are eager to enlist in the security forces", this is a sad joke. We just took the Iraqis on a joint mission and their guys made sure that we didn't catch a single fedayeen. It's not just that the Iraqi security forces cannot be relied on to police Iraq to our wishes, but instead, like the Palestinian security forces, they can be relied on to assist the rebels. We have essentially zero true friends in Iraq, if "true friend" means people who are willing to put their life on the line in order to make Iraq into what we want it to be. All of our buddies are upper middle class intelligentsia too smart to get drafted, or lazy people sitting on unearned wealth.

-- Carl



To: Neocon who wrote (116331)9/20/2004 12:37:26 PM
From: GST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<Yes, and at the same time, services are being returned to pre- war levels, businesses are reopening, most towns have elected councils, Iraqis are eager to enlist in the security forces, schools and universities are opening, newspapers are flourishing, hospitals are being resupplied, and so forth......... >

Wow -- perhaps I should move to Iraq.