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Politics : IMPEACH GRAY DAVIS! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (1532)	11/1/2003 4:05:16 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Respond to of 1641

My post is full of points you didn't address. And it is you, not I, who is in favor of a localized version of socialized medicine. You do see the flaw from the POV of CA since you said it really should be done on a national level. If CA passes this and other states don't (which they won't), CA is clearly at a competitive disadvantage. Businesses are in the business of taking advantage of that. This isn't kindergarten or Oz, lizzie. This is reality. You deal with it or it deals with you. You have no way to stop any business that can from leaving CA. The only thing you can do is keep them from wanting to. The security you are talking about is a federal issue. It is not Oracle's or any other company's (You want a CEO deciding who gets into the US? How about Jerry Falwell or Oral Roberts?) or the state of California's. States don't get to decide who is admitted to the US. You think they should be? The L1s are paid in offshore bank accounts + room and board. Who pays for their services. I think it is me, NO THANKS. Hmmm...... If I go to another state and work there on a temporary basis, I don't pay it income tax. Am I stealing from it? Suppose the company I work for provides no insurance and I get sick and end up at an ER? I don't have money, let's say. Who pays? The hospital can't toss me back out the street; federal law prohibits that. Wage deflation thanks to foreign nationals being brought in by the boatload. No explanation needed. That hardly applies just to L1's. What of H1B's? AND, BTW, WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST ORACLE? A COMPETITOR? Are you honestly going to claim that Oracle is the ONLY company that pushed for and takes advantage of these visas? Really? Why have we heard nothing of Intel? AMD? Or a thousand other tech companies around the bay? about 5 guys at the top make hundreds of millions per year and that helps the local economy And 20 below them makes 10's of millions. And a hundred below them make millions. And .... It's called "a large company". And are you going to claim that this is true only of Oracle? Were you asleep during the '90s? if being a republican means supporting sweatshop labor and the massive screwage of the California taxpayer endangering security and the entire economy 1. sweatshop labor. You mean the engineers from India getting 10X what they can make at home? This is "sweatshop labor"? 2. "massive screwage of the California taxpayer". Gee, this was happening all through the '90s. You seemed to just absolutely love it then. 3. "endangering security". Again, this is a federal responsibility. And I defy you to come up with one security incident involving employees of SV companies. And you really need a lot more than one to make a case. There have been plenty of incidents involving native-born Caucasian Americans. 4. "the entire economy". Again, this was going on all through the '90s when you were riding your stocks up. Funny this seems to have become a problem only now when you rode them back down. A lot of great jobs there where foreign women are raped and intimidated by their foreign managers You know for certain of such activity and you haven't reported it?