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To: Bilow who wrote (116346)	10/7/2003 7:44:24 PM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl, You tried to cajole me into looking at both sides. Let me encourage you to stand back, take a deep breath, and consider all sides. Please do not become completely consumed over a coupla firefights...there are hundreds of them worldwide everyday. Humans have been killing humans since Cain and Able. The death of humans...even thousands of humans does not mean that change is imminent or that withdrawal is the best course of action. I am certain you know that. Using a single firefight or two to justify a massive withdrawal or any other action including a broader attack is highly unusual...and generally not acceptable tactics. We have to able to reason deeper than three lives because 10,000 Americans die everyday in America and 5 Americans are murdered every week in Washington DC (about the same as Iraq). 1 million cars are stolen in America every year. You cannot rattle Americans with minor death and crime statistics...we have grown cold to small numbers. uw

To: Bilow who wrote (116346)	10/7/2003 8:00:53 PM
From: aladin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl, US forces have been in the Kurdish sector for 5 months now and not sustained a single casualty from the Kurds. Why is that? Answer - because we are seen as liberators by the Kurds and they know we are not there with imperial ambitions (despite the yellow press). Why is it different with the Shia's? Well we abandoned them after the Gulf War (to our shame) and its not evident that we are staying the course. Even if Bush says so - they read the same papers we do and know that his father lost after a big military victory. Now the Sunni middle is a whole other story - these people include the Baath party members - thousands of them. Most of the trouble is in this region and should have been expected, and planned for. So in many ways your right about a lot of these issues, but cutting and running is no solution. We did that in Somalia and what did that earn us? John