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To: Joe NYC who wrote (176297)	10/9/2003 6:27:21 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571216

That's what all the furor is about. IMO responsible leaders do NOT start a war under such flimsy circumstances. What I wondered about was if you were suggesting that Bush etc KNEW there were no WMD in Iraq. It seems like you are using the current knowledge and projecting it to the past. Not at all. Before the war, there was no evidence that WMD still existed. However, there was not conclusive evidence that all the WMD had been destroyed. Bush took this inconclusive evidence and suggested that the evidence was inconclusive because WMD still existed in Iraq and that Saddam was ready to use them against the US. Worse.....he accused Saddam of buying 'yellow cake' uranium.....an out and out lie that was in his State of Union. Do you not get it? The most read speech in the world......the speech of the President that is given the highest honor and Bush out and out lied......to us; and to the whole world! And to make matters worse, Bush was unwilling to wait for conclusive evidence one way or the other. That's what tipped me off to his lying. His agenda was to take out Saddam whether there were WMD or not. So he lied to the American public on several different levels. Of course, on some level the American public knew that he wasn't telling the truth but went along with it because they were too weak to object. So Americans have some culpability in this disaster. In the meantime, we are committed to an expensive war that could go on for a very long time. And we keep fukking up........the latest is bringing the Turks into the fray. The Kurds hate the Turks and there's no love lost between the Iraqis and the Turks. Plus, Turkish Muslims are Sunni whereas most of Iraq's Muslims are Shia. The Turks are another disaster in the making. Mr. Bush has changed my whole perception of the GOP and the presidency. I will never ever vote for another conservative in my lifetime. The evidence may have been flimsy, but the info on WMD started from a solid premise that Saddam had these weapons in the past (used them as well), he kicked the UN weapon inspectors out. And, Saddam did not go to the UN asking for lifting of the sanctions - the sanctions that were in place to limit Saddam's ambitions in the region (mainly in area of weaponry). And we knew for sure that over 95% had been destroyed. Why couldn't Mr. Bush wait to find out the fate of the other less than 5%? So, with this info known prior to the war, I think 9 out of 10 people would say that Iraq had such weapon. I don't know about your or Al's post, but I wouldn't be surprised if you agreed with this conventional wisdom from prior to the war. BS. That ratio was lower than that in the US and much lower in the UK. Weather posession of these weapons is a good enough reason for war is a separate question, but let's not make Bush into some kind of manipulator for going along the conventional wisdom. K. Rove and Bush are master manipulators. Even you seem not to know that you are being manipulated. They are dangerous and must be voted out of office. If anything, we need to look into the intelligence gathering, and how it can be revived. CIA has been neglected and undermined by Democrats for years, and in this new world where information is everything, the sub-par performance of CIA keeps coming back biting us in the ass. BS. There is nothing majorly wrong with our Intelligence....they tried to restrain the Bush administration from attacking Iraq but failed. ted