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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (77060)	10/9/2003 2:14:37 PM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

Thank you for clarifying. Some day perhaps the Mojo defenders will accept that it is legitimate for me to hold the belief of conscience that the daughters I am raising should be allowed to engage in the commerce of our nation without the feeling that they can be excluded from participation in that commerce solely because of their gender. So far there has been no recognition that this is just as legitimate a view to hold as Mojo's is.

To: Solon who wrote (77060)	10/9/2003 2:18:18 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

"But I gave my opinion that their was no justification for conscience as a defence against overt harm of others. I acknowleged that conscience as a defense has been allowed in the avoidance of participation in war (for instance)." Very lengthy discussions were carried on regarding harm or potential for harm that were specifically related to the mojo hypothetical (the real one, not the one you concocted). No direct harm was ever identified. The best that could be done was by X and Karen in suggesting that there was something insidious that was not visible or felt as harm but their anyway. This view point was never qualified. Likewise, you and chris shouting over the discussion, "mojo's a bigot" has absolutely no basis. Regarding conscientiously objecting to participation as a fighter in war (which I have done during Viet Nam, and also support), we can associate direct harm, since the enemies of our people are waging a deadly battle, killing and maming the people we have an allegiance to, while we sit idly by. Your allegations are false, your reasoning is tainted, your vain and hateful rantings are in the hundreds, and your honor is no where to be seen.