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To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (84098)	10/13/2003 4:52:28 PM
From: reaper	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

<<if you remove it from the context of Saturday's game>> but context is the whole point. you can stand guys up for leaning over the plate and hitting well-located pitches on the black. you cannot stand guys up when you leave pitches out over the plate and they hit them over the wall -- that's what they're supposed to do. Pedro was "wrong" to be throwing at Garcia only in context. if they Yankees were hitting good pitches, Pedro has every right to back a guy off the plate. but they were hitting pitches that many decent semi-pro players would have hit, so then he is only acting in anger / retaliation, which is crap. which is precisely why you also have to look at the Clemens pitch in context, and not just as an absolute (the "absolute" being that the pitch really wasn't that close, though it was purposefully abnormally high). but of course context eludes all sportswriters and most sportscasters, who of course would have real jobs if they had any understanding of subtlety. Cheers

To: patron_anejo_por_favor who wrote (84098)	10/13/2003 7:28:25 PM
From: re3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 209892

,<<< I'd say about 80% of the fans nationwide are rooting for them well, i for one hardly spend much time with baseball these days, went to one jays game this year (a SARS special - dollar seats) and left pretty early, but a Cubbies/Red Sox series would likely regenerate a LOT of interest in the game... a friend of mine and i were watching his son play kiddie ice hockey last weekend and he commented that baseball was a game of the past, too slow...i keep thinking that the environment and the stadium has a lot to do with it...whether the Sox can get in or not, it does strike me that Fenway would be a blast to see a game in...(versus our skydome, yawn...) ps. patron, did you know, Toronto has your old AHL Roadrunners now ?