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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (116813)	10/14/2003 5:01:38 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Maurice Winn; Neocon's argument was more than a little fallacious. For example: Neocon, Oct 14, 2003 ... Why are we in thrall of the French and Germans? The Germans are only an ally today because we purged them of Nazis, fed them, and helped them rebuild yesterday. ... #reply-19401330 The fact is that the Spanish, who we did not purge of fascists, are now, in fact, one of our main allies in Iraq. So the argument that if we had refrained from fighting WW2 the Germans would not now be an ally fails. And of course, since I do have access to an alternate world where Germany and Britain signed a peace agreement in late 1940 and the US never got involved in the European conflict, I can assure anyone who is interested that in that alternate world, the Germans did become, in fact, an ally of ours by 1980, despite our failing to defeat them in war. -- Carl

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (116813)	10/14/2003 5:05:44 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

No one is trying to control 96% of the world. Nor is the United States, as you offensively suggest, semi- fascist. Indeed, if you think that the conforming Brits are more free than the Americans, you are lost in a world of your own devising. What is true is that we are nowhere near the preconditions for a world government, or even a true community of nations. Even in Europe, the Swedes voted against joining the Eurozone, and the latest polls show that the people still prefer a "Europe of Nations" to a superstate. We are still in a condition of anarchy, internationally. All talk of "international law" is metaphorical, if not a simple joke, absent agreed upon tribunals and mechanisms of enforcement. In that case, how we comport ourselves will be decided on a case by case basis, according to the usual criterion of national interest. Yes, the default position is to honor agreements to which we are party, but that does not mean that we will not bend or break "the law" as occasion warrants.......