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To: tejek who wrote (176621)	10/14/2003 7:55:34 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571775

tejek, re:Why should she withhold the Palestinians' land from them and why shouldn't she honor the original boundaries? When the PLO first demanded a state in 1964, it wanted every part of Israel except the West Bank and Gaza (which were then in the hands of Jordan and Egypt). Is it reasonable to assume that they now want only the West Bank and Gaza, or is that more likely a Trojan Horse-- as Palestinian leader Faisal al-Husseini described it in 2001 as a first step to destroy Israel. aish.com

To: tejek who wrote (176621)	10/20/2003 4:27:23 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571775

Why would you expect them, or anyone in their position, to offer as much as was offered (not by Israel but by the countries imposing the partition plan) in the 40s. Because there was a dispute between the Zionists and the Palestinians in the 30s. While the dispute was never settled to the satisfaction of either side, it was agreed that trans Jordan would be split between Israel and Palestine in a particular way. When Israel became a separate nation, she honored those boundaries established prior to her independence. Subsequently, Israel annexed the WB, Gaza, the Sinai and the Golan Hts during a war not with the Palestinians but with her neighbors. That war has been over for decades and she's returned the Sinai to Egypt. Why should she withhold the Palestinians' land from them and why shouldn't she honor the original boundaries? Trans Jordan was split between Jordan, Israel and the Palestinians. Jordan, Israel and Egypt took over what was to supposed to be Palestinians territory. When Jordan and Egypt controlled the West Bank and Gaza there was almost no push for a Palestinian state on those territories. Then Egypt and Jordan went to war with Israel and Israel took over territory that Egypt and Jordan had controlled, and had used to stage attacks against Israel. Why should she withhold the Palestinians' land from them and why shouldn't she honor the original boundaries? The original boundaries include not only the West Bank and Gaza but strips of territory throughout the internationally recognized boundaries of Israel. Israel would be impossible to defend. Even if Israel's army was as big as the American army the only way to defend the territory would be to go on the offense. It would be like asking the US to give up over 40% of American territory to a "Native American/Indian" group if that group was hostile to the US and to Americans, had a strong history of terrorism and was ruled by a corrupt and untrustworthy dictator, while at the same time Canada and Mexico where enemies of the US (and had more power relative to the US then Canada and Mexico actually have). Americans would not seriously entertain such an idea and you have to look long and hard to find an Israeli that would entertain the idea. Also even if Israel did give up all of that the terrorism might still continue, in fact it might get worse because terrorism would have been seen to be successful and the new boundaries would make it harder to exercise any control over terrorists. Tim