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To: American Spirit who wrote (5468)10/14/2003 9:41:50 PM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10965
 
Dean blasts Kerry on Vietnam

Senator retorts that combat gives him executive gravitas


By Sam Dealey

hillnews.com

By Sam Dealey

Howard Dean’s presidential campaign sharply criticized Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) yesterday for seemingly flip-flopping on the importance of serving in Vietnam in presidential politics.

Kerry seeks to distinguish himself from his White House rivals — both Democratic and Republican — by drawing attention to his war record. But this emphasis stands in marked contrast to his past utterances about service in Vietnam as a qualification for the highest office.

“Before he became a political candidate for president, John Kerry clearly believed that military service should not be used for political gain,” said Jay Carson, a spokesman for Dean, the former governor of Vermont who is running well ahead of Kerry in recent New Hampshire polls.

“And he was right about that,” Carson added. “Unfortunately, now John Kerry and his campaign have a strategy to use that record to further his political career.”


On numerous occasions this year, Kerry cited his distinguished war record as a decisive factor in who should be the nominee. As a naval officer, Kerry earned the Silver Star, the Bronze Star with combat V, and three Purple Hearts for his service on a gunboat patrolling the Mekong.

Kelley Benander, a spokeswoman for Kerry’s campaign, responded to the charges by saying:

“John Kerry has always said military experience is not a pre-requisite for the presidency, but it informs the tough questions he asks and it certainly gives him the firsthand perspective you can’t learn in the situation room. He is the only person running for president who combines military experience, broad foreign policy experience and a tested commitment to Democratic values — and yes, we will talk about that.”

Asked Monday at a New Hampshire gathering about the possible reinstatement of the draft, for example, Kerry told the audience it should be administered “without politics and favoritism.” He added, “There are some people in high office today who pulled strings to get into the National Guard.”

President Bush served as a pilot in the Air National Guard.

At a Democratic presidential debate last Thursday, Kerry responded to a jibe from rival Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) about his privileged upbringing by recalling his war experience.

“Can I say that when I was serving in Vietnam on a small boat, the one thing I learned was nobody asked you where you came from,” Kerry said. “Nobody worried about your background. You fought together, you lived together and you bled together.”

Kerry then sought to turn his answer into political capital.

“I think I stand here with a broader base of experience, both in domestic affairs and in foreign affairs, than any other person,” he said of his Democratic primary opponents.

In May, Kerry told the Orlando Sentinel, “I am the only person running for this job who has actually fought in a war.”

A decade ago, however, Kerry rose in the Senate on two separate occasions to decry presidential candidates who used their military service record as a qualification for the highest office.

On Feb. 27, 1992, Kerry defended then presidential candidate Bill Clinton against an attack by his Democratic rival Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.). As the primary season unfolded, Kerrey, who lost part of his leg in Vietnam, had peppered Clinton with uncomfortable questions about whether the Arkansan had evaded the draft.

Kerry hit back at his Senate colleague, saying: “I am saddened by the fact that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign, and that it has been inserted in what I feel to be the worst possible way… What saddens me most is that Democrats, above all those who shared the agonies of that generation, should now be re-fighting the many conflicts of Vietnam in order to win the current political conflict of a presidential primary.”


Jan Scruggs, president and founder of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, attributed Kerry’s shifting position to political expedience.

“It was just smart politics,” said Scruggs. “Kerrey was a presidential candidate, and John Kerry was basically defending the guy who was going to win.”

In October 1992, Kerry again defended Clinton from remarks by President George H.W. Bush. In a television interview, the president had questioned Clinton’s involvement in anti-war protests while a Rhodes scholar at Oxford and a trip by Clinton to Moscow as a post-graduate student in 1969.

In prefacing his Senate remarks, Kerry recalled the words Bush had spoken four years earlier. “This is a fact: The final lesson of Vietnam is that no great nation can long afford to be sundered by a memory,” Bush then said.

Kerry proceeded to ask a series of biting rhetorical questions of Bush from the Senate floor.

“What has happened to the George Bush who made that statement?” Kerry asked.

“Why, President Bush, now do you choose to break another promise? Why do you choose to break your own statute of limitations?

“Why do you choose yourself to bring back the memory that only four years ago you said sundered this nation? Is your desire to hold office really so great that you would betray your own sense of decency and fairness? Is your desperation now really so great that you would adopt a conscious strategy of reopening and pouring salt on some of the most painful wounds that our nation has ever expected?

“You and I know that if service or non-service in the war is to become a test of qualification for high office, you would not have a vice president, nor would you have a secretary of defense, and our nation would never recover from the divisions created by that war.”

Then Vice President Dan Quayle served in the National Guard. Dick Cheney, then
Defense secretary and now vice president, never served.

“It’s unfortunate that [Kerry’s Vietnam record] has become the stock answer for almost every issue for Kerry’s campaign,” said an aide to a rival campaign. “At a certain point, Kerry’s going to have to articulate a vision that speaks to voters across America and not simply lapse into his military record.”

But Benander said: “Good luck to the aspiring president who would argue that national security credentials haven’t taken on greater importance in the post- Sept. 11th world. John Kerry’s Vietnam service, 19 years on the Foreign Relations Committee and overall national security experience are part of who he is and what kind of president he’ll be.”

“When you’re running, you use everything that may get you a few votes,” observed Scruggs.



To: American Spirit who wrote (5468)10/14/2003 10:37:21 PM
From: Mephisto  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10965
 
Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman and Edwards voted for a war with Iraq. Like Bush,
they are responsible for the War without End. I believe the only reason people have
called Dean a liberal is because Dean voted AGAINST THE WAR that may go
on for years. Also, Wesley Clark, the guy in a fog--the one who changes
his opinion every other day--said at one time
he would have voted for the Iraq war as well.
>>>>>>>>

War without end : A catalogue of killings in Iraq

Monday October 13, 2003
The Guardian

May 8 US soldier shot dead by unknown assailant while
directing traffic in Baghdad

May 13 US soldier killed when convoy ambushed near Diwaniya

May 26 US vehicle hits landmine in Baghdad killing one soldier
and injuring three

May 26 US soldier killed and another wounded as convoy
comes under enemy fire near Haditha

May 27 Two US soldiers killed and nine wounded in attack on
army unit in Falluja. Two attackers killed, six captured

May 29 US soldier killed travelling on supply route

June 3 US soldier killed at checkpoint south of Balad

June 5 US soldier killed and five injured in rocket-propelled
grenade attack in Falluja

June 7 US soldier killed and four injured in attack near Tikrit
involving rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire

June 8 US soldier shot dead at checkpoint in al-Qaim, near
Syrian border, by men who had approached vehicle asking for
medical help. One assailant killed and one captured, but others
escape

June 10 US paratrooper killed and another injured in
rocket-propelled grenade attack in south-west Baghdad. They
were manning trash collection point when assailants got out of a
van and opened fire. One attacker killed

June 17 US soldier on patrol in Baghdad killed by sniper

June 18 One US soldier dies and one wounded in drive-by
shooting at petrol station in Baghdad

June 19 US soldier killed and two injured in grenade attack on
military ambulance in Al Iskandariya

June 22 One US marine killed and eight other US service
members injured in explosion that may have been caused by
bomb dropped from B-52 Stratofortress that landed near forces
at Godoria Range, along northern coast of Djibouti

June 22 US soldier killed and another injured in grenade attack
on military convoy south of Baghdad in Khan Azad

June 24 Six British military personnel killed and eight wounded
in two incidents in southern Iraq, both near town of Amara, 125
miles north-west of Basra

June 26 US soldier attached to 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
killed in ambush near Najaf while investigating car theft

June 26 One special operations force service member killed and
eight injured in hostile fire incident in south-west Baghdad

June 28 Two soldiers assigned to 3rd Battalion, 18th Field
Artillery Regiment, deployed from Fort Sill, Oklahoma, reported
missing three days earlier, found dead west of Al Taji

June 30 Nine Iraqis, including imam, killed after explosion
beside mosque in Falluja. US later claim it was caused by a
bomb-making class inside mosque

July 2 US Army 352nd Civil Affairs Command soldier dies of
wounds received on previous day, after Baghdad convoy hit by
explosive device

July 3 Sniper kills US soldier in Baghdad, while mortar attack
on American military base to north-west injures at least 10

July 3 US marine killed and three others injured during
mine-clearing operations in Kerbala, south of Baghdad

July 5 Blast kills seven Iraqi police recruits at graduation
ceremony in Ramadi, 60 miles west of Baghdad

July 6 US soldier from 1st Armored Division dies of gunshot
wound, while guarding Baghdad University

July 6 Soldier of 1st Armored Division dies after platoon
patrolling Baghdad's Ad Hamiya neighbourhood ambushed by
two Iraqi gunmen

July 7 US soldier killed when explosive device blasts vehicle
during routine patrol in Kadhimya neighbourhood of Baghdad

July 13 One person killed and another injured after bomb
explodes near police station in Baghdad suburb

July 14 US military convoy attacked by rocket-propelled
grenades and machine guns in Baghdad. One soldier killed and
10 others injured

July 16 Bomb explodes near highway west of Baghdad killing
US soldier and injuring two others

July 18 Bomb attack on US convoy in Falluja kills soldier

June 19 1st Armored Division soldier dies after small arms and
rocket-propelled grenade attack in Abu Ghureib neighbourhood
of Baghdad

July 20 Two US soldiers killed during ambush by guerrillas firing
guns and rocket-propelled grenades near northern city of Mosul

July 21 Soldier of 1st Armored Division killed and three wounded
after vehicle hits explosive device in As Sulaykh district of
Baghdad

July 22 US soldier killed and another wounded when convoy hit
by rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire north-west of
Baghdad

July 23 Soldier of 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) killed
and seven soldiers wounded when explosive device strikes two
military vehicles outside Mosul

July 23 Soldier of 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment killed and
another soldier and contractor wounded when convoy attacked
by explosive device on Highway 1 in Ar Ramadi

July 24 Three US soldiers from 101st Airborne Division killed in
rifle and grenade attack while travelling to Qayarra West outside
Mosul

July 26 Three US soldiers guarding Ba'qubah children's hospital
killed and four others wounded in grenade attack

July 26 One US soldier killed and two wounded when convoy
attacked with small arms, rocket-propelled grenades and
possibly an explosive device on Highway 10 near Abu Ghureib.
Three Iraqis wounded

July 27 US soldier killed and another wounded when
rocket-propelled grenade hits patrol in northern Babil province
near village of Al Haswa

July 28 Explosive device dropped from overpass on to US
convoy travelling through Al Rashid district of Baghdad, killing
soldier of 1st Armored Division and injuring three others

July 30 Soldier of 4th Infantry Division killed and two wounded in
small arms attack at tactical operation centre 26 miles east of
Ba'qubah

July 31 US soldier killed and two wounded after vehicle hits
landmine on road to Baghdad airport

August 1 Soldier of 4th Infantry Division killed and three injured
after rocket-propelled grenade attack on convoy south of
Shumayt. In separate incident, soldier of 1st Armored Division
dies of gunshot wound received previous day in Baghdad

August 6 Two 1st Armored Division soldiers killed and one
wounded in firefight in Al Rashid district of Baghdad

August 7 At least 17 people killed and 60 wounded when truck
bomb explodes outside Jordanian embassy compound in
Baghdad. In separate incident, 82nd Airborne Division soldier
shot dead on guard duty in Al Mansor district of Baghdad

August 10 Soldier of 4th Infantry Division killed and two
wounded in improvised explosive attack near police station in
Tikrit

August 12 US soldier killed and two wounded in bomb attack in
Sunni Muslim town of Ramadi, 60 miles west of Baghdad

August 13 Bomb attack on four-vehicle convoy south-east of
Tikrit kills US soldier and wounds another. A further US soldier
killed when M-113 armored personnel carrier strikes explosive
device near town of Ad Dwar

August 14 Bomb blast hits military ambulance in Basra killing
one British soldier and wounding two others

August 16 Mortar attack on Abu Ghraib prison on outskirts of
Baghdad kills six Iraqis and injures 59

August 17 Danish soldier killed in gun battle between troops
and group of looters in southern Iraq. Two Iraqis also die. Dane
is first non-US or British soldier to die in conflict

August 18 Soldier of 1st US Armored Division killed by
explosive device in central Baghdad

August 19 Twenty-two people killed, including Sergio Vieira de
Mello, top UN envoy to Iraq, after truck bomb devastates UN
headquarters in Baghdad in worst attack on UN civilian complex
ever

August 20 US citizen working as interpreter killed and two US
soldiers wounded in small arms fire and rocket-propelled
grenade attack in Tikrit. Soldier of 1st Armored Division killed
and two wounded by improvised explosive device in Karkah
district of Baghdad

August 21 US marine shot dead in Al Hilla by unidentified
gunman

August 23 Three British servicemen killed and another wounded
in Basra

August 26 Soldier of 3rd Corps Support Command killed and
two wounded after convoy blasted by explosive device near town
of Hamariya

August 27 Soldier of 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment soldier
killed and three wounded by explosive device in Falluja. 205th
Military Intelligence Brigade soldier killed in attack on military
convoy in Baghdad

August 28 British soldier killed and another wounded during
attack by a crowd of Iraqis armed with rocket-propelled grenades
and small arms in Ali al-Sharqi, 120 miles north-west of Basra

August 29 Car bomb at Imam Ali mosque in Najaf kills at least
83 people, including top Shi'ite Muslim leader, Ayatollah
Mohammed Baqer al-Hakim, and wounds around 175. In
separate rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire attack
just north of As Suaydat soldier of 4th Infantry Division killed and
three wounded

August 31 Two US soldiers killed and one wounded in firefight
five miles north-east of Shkin in Paktika province

September 1 Two 220th Military Police Brigade soldiers killed
and one wounded when vehicle strikes explosive device along
main supply route south of Baghdad

September 2 Car bomb blasts Rasafa police headquarters in
east Baghdad, killing one and wounding 15

September 3 Suicide bombing in town of Ramadi kills Iraqi
civilian and injures two US soldiers

September 9 Car bomb kills one Iraqi and wounds 53, including
six American military personnel, in Arbil, northern Iraq. In a
separate incident US soldier killed and another wounded after
vehicle hits improvised explosive device on supply route
north-east of Baghdad

September 10 Explosive device kills soldier of 1st Armored
Division in Baghdad

September 12 Two US soldiers killed and seven wounded
during pre-dawn raid in Ramadi, 60 miles west of Baghdad

September 14 US soldier killed and three wounded as convoy
runs over bomb planted on road in Falluja

September 15 US soldier on patrol in Baghdad killed in
rocket-propelled grenade attack

September 18 Iraqi guerrillas kill three and wound two US
soldiers inspecting suspected weapons site near Tikrit

September 20 Two US soldiers die and 13 are injured in mortar
attack on US-run Abu Ghreib prison complex. Elsewhere, US
soldier killed by roadside bomb near Ramadi

September 22 Suicide bomber at car park next to UN
headquarters in Baghdad kills Iraqi security guard

September 24 Bomb apparently aimed at US troops tears
through two buses in Baghdad, killing an Iraqi and wounding
about 20. Elsewhere, several injured after bomb blast in cinema
in Mosul

September 25 Bomb explodes at Baghdad's Aike hotel housing
journalists from US television network NBC, killing a Somali
guard. Separately, a rocket-propelled grenade attack kills US
soldier and wounds two others in Kirkuk

September 29 US soldier killed in bomb and gunfire to attack in
town of Habbaniya, about 42 miles from Baghdad

October 1 Bomb blast near US military base in Tikrit kills
woman soldier and wounds three others. Elsewhere, US soldier
killed in rocket-propelled grenade attack near town of Samarra,
north of Baghdad

October 4 Rocket-propelled grenade and gun attack on
American patrol in Baghdad kills one US soldier and wounds
another

October 6 US soldier killed and another wounded by bomb
attack west of Baghdad. Separately, two more US soldiers and
Iraqi interpreter killed and two US soldiers wounded in bomb
blast south of Baghdad

October 7 No casualties after blast hits compound of Iraqi
Foreign Ministry in Baghdad

October 9 Two suicide bombers kill eight Iraqis at police station
in Shi'ite Muslim district of Sadr City, north-east Baghdad. In
same area two US soldiers killed and four wounded in ambush.
Another US soldier killed in separate rocket-propelled grenade
attack on military convoy north-east of Iraqi capital

October 12 At least six people killed in blast outside Baghdad
Hotel in city centre

guardian.co.uk



To: American Spirit who wrote (5468)10/14/2003 10:39:50 PM
From: Mephisto  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 10965
 
Dean's in the middle. He's been endorsed by the NRA so folks who are
hunters may give him a chance. No way you can claim Dean is on the left
whatever you may mean by: left.