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To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/15/2003 12:42:02 PM
From: John Carragher	Respond to of 793625

sounds like washington post also feeling the threat of fox news.... g

To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/15/2003 1:00:19 PM
From: LPS5	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793625

Do you have a link to this editorial? LPS5

To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/15/2003 1:54:26 PM
From: FaultLine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793625

This month they released their findings, which go a long way toward explaining why there's so little common ground in American politics today: People are proceeding from radically different sets of facts, some so different that they're altogether fiction. Fair: as opposed to 'good', 'excellent' Balanced: reporting all opinions, even those which are untrue Who knows... --fl@theshadowdo.com :o)

To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/15/2003 2:33:07 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793625

Let's take a survey of folks that watch Dan Rather exclusively. What fanciful ideas might they have? What percent belive Clinton was impeached because he had sex with Monica? What percent believe the rich don't pay taxes. What percent believe Mr Bush is stupid. What percent belive Saddam had NO links to Al Qaeda. What percent believe we were the only country that helped free the Iraqi people? What percent don't believe the Iraqi people wanted to be freed.

To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/15/2003 9:29:58 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793625

Anyone who relies on teevee for their info deserves to get duped, no matter which channel they prefer. One thing that seems to have stuck is the constant repetition by various talking heads that Bush said the threat from Iraq was "imminent." What he said was we need to act before the threat becomes imminent. Pretty slick how the Democrats and their parrots in the press got that false meme out there. The author says that people who think that there was a Saddam connection to Al Qaida hold a "fanciful belief." There has been evidence produced, and it is more than slight, of Saddam being cozy with terrorist groups. They may not have called themselves Al Qaida, but their intent was the same. The people who don't pay much attention, but believe that, aren't really being that fanciful, their instincts are right.

To: Lane3 who wrote (12315)	10/16/2003 1:40:07 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793625

I decided I could not ignore this. In fact, the poll is pretty worthless. First, the United States has uncovered evidence of collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaida, the only thing unknown is the extent of the collaboration. Thus, the question would depend upon interpretation: do extensive ties imply close working relationship, or more casual cooperation? Similarly, although it is true that we have not uncovered stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction, we have, in fact, discovered such weapons, in vials and smaller caches. We have uncovered containers of several biological and chemical toxins. Thus, again, it depends on how one interprets the question: if one needs stockpiles and fully weaponized, ready to go material, well, no, but if one merely needs the deadly toxins, eureka, we found some. Finally, the question of backing. No, most people did not back us, but: Of the countries of the EU, the leadership of more than half the countries did, in fact, back us; France announced that it would veto the Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force precisely because we were lining up a majority, and; People like Blix and Annan have generally conceded that we are better off without Hussein, thus creating, in some people, the impression that support followed success.