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To: TimF who wrote (176827)	10/20/2003 11:40:01 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571848

The Arabs convinced the Palestinians to hold out for more land. The war of 1948 was to get more of the land back for Palestine. No the war in 48 was waged by the Arabs with the desire to destroy Israel. If they had succeded they probably would have devided the land between them but even if they had given it to the Palestinians the war was over the fact that the Arab nations didn't want Israel in their midst. Yes, that's what I meant when I said more land for Palestine. The Sinai Peninsula is the Egyptian land Israel occupied after the 1967 war. I didn't mention the Sinai. Gaza was occupied by Egypt after 48. Yes, that's right......I thought you talking about the Sinai. I don't understand. The only international land under the UN partition proposal of 1947 was Jerusalem. Jerusalem might have been the only international land but the rest of Israel/Palestine was devided into many small areas often not contigous. That's news to me. There was an alternative proposal to the above partition but it was the minority report and it went no where.........is that what you are referring to? That's BS. One half of Israel is surrounded by water. The other half is Palestine to the east, desert to the south and the mts to the north. Israel is very defensible. Israel minus the west bank is 13 miles wide at one point, and even at its widest it provides very little strategic depth. In any case I wasn't talking about Israel minus the West Bank I was talking about the original partision plan which gave neither the Palestinians or the Israelis defensable territory. The original partition is what you see now except for where it was expanded in three areas during the 1967 war....Gaza, Jerusalem and the Golan Hts. It was as defensible as its going to be. One source apparently pro Israeli the other pro Palestinian but its the same territory. knesset.gov.il passia.org; Yes, its true the partition has been expanded since 1947. Israel has added to the partition during the wars she has fought with the Arabs. The major land grab was Jerusalem which was supposed to be international, and coincidently that's where Israel was only 13 miles wide. However, their complaint that it wasn't defensible was the excuse but the reality is Israel wanted control over Jerusalem. Israel has ignored UN resolution after UN resolution demanding that she return the land she has taken. None of Palestine was Jewish land until the early 20th century. Not true. Yes, very true......the Jews couldn't buy land until after the Ottoman Empire collapsed during WW I. In any case there wasn't a Palestinian nationalist cause until the 20th century either. Yes, because the Zionists were buying up all the land and the buildings in the cities. That galvanized the Palestinians. They where just Arabs who lived under other Turks, or British, or other Arabs for a long time. Also even if it was it doesn't change things. Lets not get this all confused......the Palestinians were farmers and shepherds mostly. They were not very sophisticated. They had no reason to believe that they would lose the place where they had lived for hundreds of years. Besidesm most of the ME had been ruled by either the Persians, the Turks or the Europeans for over a millennium. Only in the '30s thru the'60s did they start to get their independence.....that includes countries like Iraq, Egypt, Iran, Algeria etc. A lot of the Israeli land has been Jewish for generations, now you want them to not only give up the post 67 occupied territories but more land on top of that to a hostile force when they are surrounded by numerous potentially hostile powers? First the Jews chose to go to Palestine....no one forced them. And Palestine has been mostly Arab and Muslim since at least 700 AD. Secondly, like I said, they only started to own the land since 1920. The Palestinians had owned the land much earlier. Thirdly, where is it written that when you get attacked by Syria, Egypt and Jordan, you penalize the Palestinians? Isreal occupies the land that since 1947, was always intended as a Palestinian state. Jews have occupied a lot of the land for a lot longer then since 1947. In any case "since 1947" is longer then many countries have been in existance. Its a fact on the ground. Even most people who support the case for a Palestinian state on better terms than what Israel has offered only insist on the West Bank and Gaza and a half of Jerusalem. The only people I have heard arguing for more before where those arguing that all the land should be given to the Palestinians. I don't know who's arguing for more than the above. I think we are misunderstanding something here. Many Israelis favor the land for peace proposal that was developed under Rabin and reinstituted under Ehud Barak. You aren't asking for that. You have been asking for the UN partision line of 1947. I am not sure what you mean. Actually, I just went back to yours and my previous posts. You appear to think that there was more international land in the partition besides Jerusalem. There was not. The Israelis took land from Gaza, the land between Israel and Jerusalem including E.Jerusalem and they divided Arab land in the north with Lebanon. Again only Jerusalem was to be international. ted