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To: FaultLine who wrote (13229)10/21/2003 1:35:52 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793574
 
Naaah, FL...LB does a fantastic job of clearing the air, sending us a new article but usually something which he knows would interest us, and generally folks here try not to get too carried away.

Most here are adults, and are more than civil, even when sometimes the subject is one which hasn't really been aired by us in any sort of public forum. Some of the attraction for many uf us, I would think, is the seeming lack of overseer, and also knowledge that most of us really appreciate having a place to even voice some of the thoughts and/or concerns we have, and don't talk about anyplace else. LB alluded to this recently, and I agree.

Both FADG and PfP are favorites of mine...We talked tonight with friends about stopping the home subscription for both the NYTimes and the Seattle Times. Who has time to wade through the papers, when there is so much of interest here....Of course, we can always buy the individual papers when desired at our local Starbucks.

Ah, what a life, eh?

PS I knew you were @justkiddingjustkidding.com...<g>



To: FaultLine who wrote (13229)10/21/2003 3:26:25 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793574
 
Gephardt is Bush's toughest opponent? Yeah. Sure. Who sold this "bill of goods" to VandeHei?
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GOP Sees Gephardt as Toughest Rival for Bush
Many Say Midwest Is Key to Election

By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 21, 2003; Page A02

With the strongest union backing and deepest roots in the politically important industrial Midwest, Rep. Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.) is emerging as the Democratic presidential candidate many prominent Republicans fear the most in the 2004 elections.

In interviews with nearly two dozen Republican strategists, lawmakers and state chairmen across the country, including several close to the White House, Gephardt was portrayed by a majority as the Democratic candidate best prepared and positioned to defeat President Bush in a head-to-head matchup next year. The reasons, they said: Gephardt consistently supported the Iraq war, enjoys unrivaled support among union leaders and hails from the Midwest, where many Republicans believe the presidential election will be decided. They also cited his health care plan, experience and discipline as key factors.

"When [we] look at the whole picture and who can get [Democrats] there . . . people are saying Gephardt is the biggest threat," said Rep. Mike Rogers (Mich.), finance chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

A few mentioned retired Gen. Wesley K. Clark as a potentially strong challenger, but every Republican predicted Bush would win reelection. Still, their views about Gephardt (and some of his rivals) highlight the GOP's top concerns heading into 2004: job losses in key swing states, the high number of uninsured workers, the fallout from Bush's steel tariffs and the president's political standing in the industrial Midwest. With his plan to lower the cost of health care for most Americans, "Gephardt has hit on a real Achilles' heel, and he will get traction on it if he becomes the nominee," said Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.).

By historical standards, Bush remains popular with voters more than a year out from the election and gets high marks for integrity and strong leadership skills. At the same time, polls show Gephardt, Clark, former Vermont governor Howard Dean and Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), among others, being competitive in matchups with the president.

Many Democrats do not agree with the GOP assessment of Gephardt's electability. The AFL-CIO has declined to endorse the Missouri lawmaker, despite his relentless courting, because several union leaders are not convinced Gephardt can win. In recent interviews in New Hampshire and Iowa, the two key early voting states, numerous Democratic voters have characterized Gephardt as stale, programmed and too closely affiliated with Washington. In Iowa, where Gephardt spends most of his time campaigning, Dean is doing as well or better in recent polls.

Bill McInturff, a GOP pollster, said he thinks Gephardt would be a weak candidate because he has called for a repeal of the Bush tax cuts. And Frank Luntz, a former GOP pollster who has conducted focus groups for MSNBC, said Gephardt "falls absolutely flat" with voters because he is seen as too political.

One of the main reasons many other Republicans fret about Gephardt is the electoral map, which many in the GOP say points to the Midwest as the region that will decide the presidency.

Several senior Bush administration officials consider Gephardt, a family man of humble origins in Missouri, the most serious threat because he "matches up better culturally" with the president than do Dean and Kerry, who are easier to paint as "eastern liberal elitists," a Bush adviser said.

"I have probably heard more people saying Gephardt looks the strongest because Dean is too far left and Kerry is not panning out as a candidate," added former representative Vin Weber (R-Minn.).

The Midwest is loaded with states that candidates consider must-wins for the presidency. They include Ohio, which every Republican president in history has won, and Missouri, which has voted for the winner in all but one election since 1900.

Although southern Democrats have the best track record for winning recent presidential elections -- think Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson -- Sen. John Edwards (N.C.) lags far behind the other candidates in the field. Clark, the only other southerner, entered the race only last month.

Scott Reed, who managed Robert J. Dole's GOP presidential campaign in 1996, said that it is too early to determine who matches up best with Bush but that the political map appears to favor Gephardt. "If you look at the electoral college map and where a lot of the polls sit today, all arrows point to the Midwest as the battleground," Reed said. "If they can nominate someone from the battleground region, they will have a slight leg up."

The Midwest has been hit hard by manufacturing job losses under Bush. In Michigan, Bush is under fire not only for mounting job losses but also for his decision to impose tariffs on steel, which has hurt automakers and other businesses there and in other states by driving up production costs. Several Republicans cited Bush's steel policy as among his biggest liabilities.

Moreover, Michigan's GOP congressional delegation is fuming at Bush because the White House has refused to intervene on behalf of the state's furniture manufacturers, which have a strong presence in Republican strongholds in the state. Michigan is a "very economic-driven state," Rogers said. "If [Michigan residents] are not working, they won't vote for Bush."

In Galesburg, Ill., just outside LaHood's district, Maytag Corp. recently announced it is closing a plant, laying off 1,600 workers and moving the jobs to Mexico.

By railing against Mexico's trading practices and free trade in general, Gephardt is considered the biggest defender of workers among the Democrats "hands down" and best positioned to oust Bush, LaHood said. Gephardt has been a forceful critic of Bush's trade policies and vowed to curtail foreign trade if elected.

In a recent Ohio poll conducted by the University of Cincinnati, Gephardt matched up best against Bush among the Democratic candidates (though he trailed by 13 percentage points). As the conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page highlighted on Tuesday, Ohio lost 118,000 manufacturing jobs from March 2002 to March 2003. But Robert T. Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party, said Clark might pose bigger problems for Bush because elections in the state are often decided by swing voters. "Clark would be the one -- the non-politician, the general," Bennett said. "He would be the one who would be the toughest if he can get the nomination." Clinton carried Ohio in 1992 and 1996; Bush won it in 2000.

But most Republicans said turning out party activists will be more important than wooing swing voters next year. Some Republicans fear Gephardt alone could persuade the unions, perhaps the most influential Democratic constituency and one with the potential to spend tens of millions of dollars, to treat the 2004 election like "their last hurrah," said Grover Norquist, a GOP activist close to Bush political adviser Karl Rove. Bush has been at odds with the unions throughout his presidency.

Norquist said Republicans are most worried about Gephardt inciting a passionate union effort that will stir African American turnout to historic highs in big cities and key areas across the country such as Florida.

Gephardt is best positioned to exploit Bush's weaknesses on the economy and jobs because he effectively neutralized one of Bush's greatest strengths -- national security -- by taking a hard line early against Iraq and Afghanistan, said Rick Davis, who managed the presidential campaign of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2000.

"There's not a lot of daylight between" Bush and Gephardt on how to handle Iraq and Afghanistan," Davis said. "If he can survive [the primary], he's actually well positioned on foreign policy and national security."

As House minority leader in 2002, Gephardt worked with Bush to approve the congressional resolution granting the president the authority to strike Iraq. Gephardt is holding firm in support of Bush's policies by breaking with other presidential candidates and endorsing the president's latest $87 billion request for Iraq and Afghanistan.

As a note of caution, several GOP strategists recalled Republicans thinking Clinton would be the easiest to defeat in 1992, and Democrats eager for Ronald Reagan in 1980. They were the last two-term presidents.
washingtonpost.com



To: FaultLine who wrote (13229)10/21/2003 5:05:46 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793574
 
Todays Blog from Zeyad in Iraq. This guy is really making a stir on the Internet.
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Monday, October 20, 2003
Al-Sadr update and some Shi'a jargon
The Higher Command of Al-Mahdi's Army issued yesterday an order to it's brigades all over Iraq to hunt, track down and arrest Saddam Hussein dead or alive.

Wow. And how pray do you intend to do that Muqtada? Armed militia members raiding and searching houses? Seems like an excuse for civil war to me. He might as well make his own version of the WANTED OFFICIALS deck of cards.

This juvenile is getting so desperate. He is obviously trying hard to appeal to most Iraqis. This just isn't working Muqty. F*ck off.

He also blatantly denied having anything to do with the recent unrest in Najaf, he referred to the accusations as being spread "by ignorant fools and lackeys of the west and the US". Does this sound familiar to anyone? Hello? Iran?

Here's the biggest laugh of all, by one of his 'agents': "We intend to build an Islamic democracy in Iraq, not an Islamic theocracy".
Sure, like the Taliban for instance. This egocentric looney is starting to sound like Al-Sahaf. I am now seriously considering making a 'We Love Muqty' website like this one We Love MSS. That would be such a blast. Anyone creative taking notes?

What bugs me most is that he keeps on insisting that his actions are peaceful and do not instigate violence. Yes, I agree. Veiled threats, calling for insurgence, armed demonstrations, and assaulting rival religious figures is very very peaceful. In fact it is also democratic as well.

And he is employing a curious mix of blackmailing and threatening tactics to try and get himself an established place in the Governing Council.

Catfish and Cod has arranged and compiled an interesting and very accurate timeline for all Al-Sadr related trouble in Iraq since September 29. Read it here

However I wish to point out to him that Grand Ayatollah Ali Taqi Al-Sistani is not a leader of SCIRI nor is he affiliated with them. SCIRI's current leader is Abdul Aziz Al-Hakim (a brother of the late Ayatollah Mohammad Baqir Al-Sadr who was killed in the Najaf bombing). Abdul Aziz is also a member of the Governing Council and part of it's nine rotating chairmen council.

Al-Sistani is a prominent independent Iranian Iraqi Shi'ite Hawza marji' with a significant following inside both Iraq and Iran. He is not anti-american although he does call for American forces to leave Iraq immediately. His fatwas are controversial. He described a Women organization meeting in Hilla as 'a disgrace'. He also issued a fatwa a week ago that it was prohibited to appoint women judges in Iraq. He is supposed to have a large role in preparing our Constitution. A fact which does not appeal to me at all.

Shi'ite jargon

A marji' is an influential religious figure (usually a Sayed which means his ancestry goes back to Ali bin Abi talib, the prophet's cousin) to whom Shi'ites from all over the world turn to, and follow fatwas issued by him. There are tens of thousand of Sayeds in Iraq and Iran who are regarded as 'holy figures', but only a handful are marji's. Sometimes these marji's run huge beneficial corporations and are very wealthy. Some operate offices and branches in many countries including in Europe and the US, and have agents there representing them.

Al Hawza Al-Ilmiyah is a politico-religious Islamic school in Najaf, which teaches Shi'ite Islamic Laws and science. It played an important part in Iraqi politics early in the last century. Students mainly come from Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, and other countries with Shi'ite populations. The late Ayatollah Khomeini is a sample graduate. Some of them literally spend ten or twenty years of their life studying hundreds of volumes of Islamic Jurisprudence. After which they graduate at 40 or 50 years old to become marji's. Muqty is apparently still a sophomore.

There is another Hawza university in Qum, Iran. Which competes with the original in Najaf.

The four cornerstone marji's in Najaf's Hawza are Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani, Ishaq Al-Fayadh, Mohammad Hussein Al-Hakim, and Bashir Al-Najafi. I've also heard some Shi'ites referring to Ayatollah Kazim Al-Ha'iri (residing in Meshed, Iran) to be a part also. There are in addition to these a few less known marji's.

Shi'a are known in Islamic history as Ithney Asharia, Imamia, or Ja'ffaria Shia. There are other minor Sh'ite factions as Ishmaeliya (followers of Agha Khan), Baha'ia (many of them live in Israel), Babia, Nassiriya, and Alawiyah (Syria).

Ithney Asharia Shi'a are estimated to comprise 65-70 percent of Iraq's poplulation (we can't be sure of that with the absence of reliable statistics). And about 85 percent of Iran's. There are sizeable Sh'ite communities in Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Some in Saudi Arabia, Gulf countries, and Yemen as well.

Shi'ites are passionate followers and avid supporters of 'Al Al Bayt', or the prophet Mohammad's Household who, according to them, are Ali bin Abi Talib, his wife Fatima Al-Zahraa (Muhammad's daughter), and their sons Al-Hassan and Al-Hussein. They believe that those, together with nine others of their grandsons and grandsons grandsons are "Al A'ima Alma'sumin Al ithney Ashar", the Twelve Infallible Imams. The last of these Imams is Al-Mahdi, who is thought to have dissapeared in a cave at Samarrah about a 1000 years ago, they believe that Al-Mahdi lives and will return from his cave one day to bring justice to the world. In other words he is their Messiah.

I have seen many banners and signs around Baghdad the last 6 months carrying Al-Mahdi's name. One of these was put on Al-Sadr city council building by Muqty's thugs. Some examples of these I have noticed lately are black banners all over Baghdad that go like this:
"Our consolations to Al Imam Al-Mahdi (may Allah speed his return) on the anniversary of the death of Imam Al-Kazim (peace be upon him),...", or another: "We congratulate Al Imam Al-Mahdi...on Fatima Al-Zahraa's birth anniversary". There are scores more of these anniversaries that I have been trying hard to keep up with.

One one occasion, about 5 weeks ago, an American Black hawk was trying to remove one of those holy black flags from a communications tower at Al-Sadr city, when all hell broke loose. Hundreds of indignant people and Al-Mahdi militia members gathered and some started shooting at the helicopter. Which responded by killing two militia. This caused such a fuss and angry anti-american protests marched to the Republican Palace(CPA Hq.) hours later. Muqtada demanded an official apology from the White House not just from the CPA. I believe this was the incident that started all the unrest in Al-Sadr city and Najaf.

It's at times like these that I start worrying and get pessimistic about the future of freedom in this country. I see many people reject it, because 'its an American and zionist plot to spread immorality and degradation in our virtous society'. Then they give me all the holy crap. The problem with their logic is that they are not even holy themselves. I don't want to believe in their scriptures. I don't want to be forced to fast in Ramadan. I want to be able to freely criticize them without being burnt at a stake. I want to be able to buy my vodka without having to look left and right. I want to be able to walk with my girlfriend in the street while holding hands together without people glaring at me. Is this TOO MUCH to ask? Do I have to immigrate and leave my country for wanting to do all that?

# posted by zeyad : 6:32 PM
Some musing
I truly hope that living under 50 years of tyranny hasn't turned us all into potential tyrants. I worry constantly when I see some of the newly appointed Iraqi officials and controversial politico-religious figures just too eager to rule and assume power in the country. They are desperately trying to push it and speed up things for themselves. I see Saddam's face under the masks they're wearing. They are tyrants in disguise. I would rather have President Bremer (Allah preserve him) ruling us than any of them. I wonder if we EVER have someone qualified yet enough to be leading us.http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/2003_10_01_healingiraq_archive.html#23106656106711032484