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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (78008)	10/21/2003 4:15:59 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

A theist- the negation of God, the belief that there is NO God. A gnostic- I don't know if there is a God. Seems pretty clear to me. I know which I am- A gnostic. I would never go so far as to say there was no unifying principle I could conceive of as falling under the term "god"- but I have no real knowledge of that principle, so I don't choose to believe in it right now, although I embrace the possibility that it could exist. And here is something cool "I know" and I also "believe" that the possibility exists, but I do not need to "believe" in the actual thing- the belief in the possibility, which I do not "know" in any appreciable (sensate) way, except through my brain working through ideas, is good enough. Which do you think you are?

To: Lane3 who wrote (78008)	10/23/2003 1:31:34 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I don't see how you get atheist out of that. That meaning "I also believe that the Father God is a myth. I have sufficient data to believe that, more the inexplicable absence of data to the contrary, but I don't know for sure." Its possible CH was focusing on "I also believe the Father God is a myth" and taking that to mean that you believe that the existence of god or gods is a myth. That second statement would be atheistic IMO. However you can believe that "the Father God" is a myth while still essentially having no opinion as to the existence of some sort of god or gods as "the Father God" is no the same as "some sort of god or gods or divine being or presence". Tim