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To: MSI who wrote (13336)10/21/2003 7:31:46 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793718
 
What do you mean "certify" the copies? Are you suggesting subpoenas and an investigation? By whom?

Certified copy, is just that..."Certified" with a hand stamp and signed by the person representing the issuing Department of National, State, or local Government. It costs more to have a certified copy, but you can be sure that it is an official copy of the original document on file with that Governmental Agency.

If I thought that the documents you noted from the web had any serious merit, if it were me, BEFORE I posted them on my web site, I would have made SURE they were CERTIFIED documents. Otherwise they are worthless.

There are blocks of people in LA for instance, that one can get made up birth records, drivers licenses, etc.....not legal of course, but look like they might be.

Do you want to believe something that might be important without proof?

I don't.



To: MSI who wrote (13336)10/21/2003 9:54:43 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793718
 
Check out the NY times nonfiction bestseller list.

The Bush presidency is a bonanza for liberal writers, Bush haters or anyone who wants to reminisce about the Clinton "good old days".

Alan Colmes has a new book coming next week so that makes 9 entries in the bestseller list that are anti-Bush in some way. I am excluding Madeliene Albright's book but my feeling is anybody from the Clinton admin benefits from the anti-Bush sentiment as a sort of halo effect.

1 DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY? by Michael Moore. (Warner, $24.95.) The author of "Stupid White Men" calls for "regime change" in Washington. 1
2 WHO'S LOOKING OUT FOR YOU? by Bill O'Reilly. (Broadway, $24.95.) The host of "The O'Reilly Factor" attacks those individuals and institutions that he believes have let down the American people. 2 3
3 LIES (AND THE LYING LIARS WHO TELL THEM), by Al Franken. (Dutton, $24.95.) A satirical critique of the rhetoric of right-wing pundits and politicians. 1 8
4 EVERY SECOND COUNTS, by Lance Armstrong with Sally Jenkins. (Broadway, $24.95.) The second memoir by the five-time winner of the Tour de France. 1
5 FLYBOYS, by James Bradley. (Little, Brown, $25.95.) An account of eight American airmen who were shot down and captured by the Japanese in World War II. 3 2
6 BUSHWHACKED, by Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose. (Random House, $24.95.) Two Texas journalists offer up an indictment of the Bush administration. 6 3
7 MADAM SECRETARY, by Madeleine Albright with Bill Woodward. (Miramax, $27.95.) A memoir by the former secretary of state and ambassador to the United Nations. 5 4
8 THE GREAT UNRAVELING, by Paul Krugman. (Norton, $25.95.) A volume of essays, most from The New York Times, that are "mainly about economic disappointment, bad leadership and the lies of the powerful." 8 5
9 PERSECUTION, by David Limbaugh. (Regnery, $27.95.) The author of "Absolute Power" argues that "liberals are waging war against Christianity." (+) 10 3
10 THROUGH THE LENS. (National Geographic Society, $30.) A collection of photographs from National Geographic. 1
11 SHUT UP & SING, by Laura Ingraham. (Regnery, $27.95.) The political commentator attacks the "elites" of Hollywood, Washington and New York. (+) 7 4
12 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, by Walter Isaacson. (Simon & Schuster, $30.) A biography of the scientist, inventor, writer and Revolutionary statesman. 11 15
13 AFTER LIFE, by John Edward with Natasha Stoynoff. (Princess, $23.95.) The television personality and professed psychic offers "answers from the other side." 9 6
14 WHO'S YOUR CADDY? by Rick Reilly. (Doubleday, $24.95.) A sportswriter recounts his experiences caddying for (among others) Jack Nicklaus, David Duval, Bob Newhart and Deepak Chopra. 14
15 THE BURNING TIGRIS, by Peter Balakian. (HarperCollins, $26.95.) A history of the Armenian genocide and the United States' response to it. (+) 4 2
16 *HEART FULL OF LIES, by Ann Rule. (Free Press, $26.) The story of Liysa Northon, who in the fall of 2000 killed her husband while on a camping trip in Oregon. 1

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Also Selling
17 A SHORT HISTORY OF NEARLY EVERYTHING, by Bill Bryson. (Broadway, $27.50.) First Chapter
18 GOOD TO GREAT, by Jim Collins. (HarperBusiness, $27.50.)
19 STUPID WHITE MEN, by Michael Moore. (ReganBooks/HarperCollins, $24.95.)
20 LIVING HISTORY, by Hillary Rodham Clinton. (Simon & Schuster, $28.)

21 THE REAL AMERICA, by Glenn Beck. (Pocket, $25.)
22 UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN, by Jon Krakauer. (Doubleday, $26.)
23 REAGAN: A Life in Letters, edited by Kiron K. Skinner, Annelise Anderson and Martin Anderson. (Free Press, $35.)
24 MONEYBALL, by Michael Lewis. (Norton, $24.95.)
25 DO YOU LOVE FOOTBALL?! by Jon Gruden with Vic Carucci. (HarperCollins, $24.95.)
26 THE BOUNTY, by Caroline Alexander. (Viking, $27.95.)
27 THE CASE FOR ISRAEL, by Alan Dershowitz. (Wiley, $19.95.)
28 A MIGHTY HEART, by Mariane Pearl with Sarah Crichton. (Scribner, $25.) First Chapter
29 THE LIES OF GEORGE W. BUSH, by David Corn. (Crown, $24.)
30 BEYOND BELIEF, by Elaine Pagels. (Random House, $24.95.) First Chapter
31 THREE WEEKS IN OCTOBER, by Charles A. Moose and Charles Fleming. (Dutton, $23.95.)
32 KATE REMEMBERED, by A. Scott Berg. (Putnam, $25.95.)
33 AMERICA'S WOMEN, by Gail Collins. (Morrow, $27.95.)
34 THEY MARCHED INTO SUNLIGHT, by David Maraniss. (Simon & Schuster, $29.95.) First Chapter
35 BIG LIES, by Joe Conason. (Thomas Dunne/St. Martin's, $24.95.)

The author was among them. He noticed a personal revulsion of Bush among his friends and acquaintences, who not only are repelled by the policies but can't stand to hear him speak or see him on tv.

Tucker Carlson tried to argue with that, saying the Dems hated Bush more than the GOP hated Clinton, but the studio audience poll thought otherwise.

This is a big change. Up to now, the liberal dems have avoided any real emotion, preferring the liberal "niceness" and trying to avoid the kind of nonsense that hounded Clinton. I think the gloves are off, and more and more opponents of Bush will be speaking their minds, as the author says, on two issues: personal and policy.