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To: Bilow who wrote (117341)	10/21/2003 7:36:24 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'Ah the lies, the lies, the lies with which life is suffocated!' - exclamation of the hero of, and leitmotiv of, 'One Man's Initiation', the first novel of John dos Passos -g- ... according to this bio here [which is not in english] - geocities.com Dos Passos wasn't all that left, as i recall .... only read a few of his, can't recall titles of them outside of '1919', but know that he parted company with the hard left long before the spanish civil war was over .... before that he was more anti-fascist than anything, really .... his writing was descriptive, it gives you scenes of what was happening, time pieces, attitude snapshots, they've very good for that, but they're not prescriptive imho, as no particular class or party or ideology comes across as very brilliant .... that page above compares his work to Tolstoi and Balzac, which is probably about right, imho .... also says he never joined any party, which you can believe if you read him It was years after V-E day before euros ate full rations .... for the dutch, the winter of 44-45 is called Hunger Winter, and the next one wasn't all that great, either .... things were much worse for the bombed-out germans living under occupation with so many of the surviving men still in prison camps .... the Marshall plan was not immediate, and even when decided upon the money did not flow through quickly, people pretty much lived by their wits, into the very late forties it was a luxury to eat One contact i had to this time was from an RN seaman, never knew his rank at the time but it was probably able seaman only, he would have been in his early twenties, and had been in the navy since Sept 1939 .... he was stationed in various harbours, and then in Vienna, don't know why there, it has no sea access .... anyway, his main event was to meet a young austrian girl, sixteen at the time i believe, and his main challenge was to avoid getting caught with her .... before that even, he was always dodging allied brass who were trying to discourage fraternisation, and he liked his beer very much, fine sociable fellow, and he said he never ever had any trouble whatsoever with the locals, he and his mates preferred their company when possible, in Austria or Bremerhaven or wherever he was stationed - from 9 May 45 onwards all his problems came from regs and officers .... said he was surprised at this at the time, kept mentioning it when i knew him in the seventies, as if it were notable, and he'd look to his wife for confirmation, and she'd nod .... yes, she was the same lady, no longer sixteen is all, they slipped off to Italy or somewhere when he had leave, and she managed to get to England i think, to wait for him to get out of the service

To: Bilow who wrote (117341)	10/21/2003 9:17:23 PM
From: KyrosL	Respond to of 281500

A heck of an amateurish job of hiding their tracks.

To: Bilow who wrote (117341)	10/22/2003 2:47:20 AM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Carl, let me see if I've got this right. You're saying it's a bad thing for this Heck or Howell person to publish stuff that might support Dubya? What makes Heck or Howell different and less privileged in his expression than me? Is it because Heck or Howell might be a Texas oil person? What if Heck or Howell was a Texas oil person who published stuff that did not support Dubya? Would it be OK, then, for Heck to publish stuff? I think you're bent out of shape on this because Dos Passos' article perhaps does show some similarities between common views of things in Europe post 1945 and Iraq now. And that doesn't depend the least on who published it, does it? It says what it says, and no matter how much you might scramble to make people look at its publisher instead its content, it still says it. Anyhow Carl, I went and looked at the Jessica's Well website which, despite your comment about it running from the light seems to be definitely bright and shiny, and the folk putting it together appear to be a bunch of conservative zanies having a real good time. Here's a list of blogs they connect to: Steven Den Beste Sgt. Stryker Daily Pundit The Corner Right Wing News Tim Blair Little Green Footballs A Small Victory Balloon Juice Bo Cowgill Little Tiny Lies Right Thinking... Spiced Sass Kevin Holtsberry Jay Solo Wizbang Media Review Across the Atlant Oh, yes, this is the full name of the website: JESSICA'S WELL The Community Web Log on Media, Government, and Politics in Midland, Texas Home of George & Laura Bush, General Tommy Franks....AND Wahoo McDaniel URL: jessicaswell.com Sure Carl, they're really trying to hide their sympathies. The OCT 16 entry reads: I really don't know what to make of this. I guess things never change and that there is nothing new in the world. Below are two links to two articles from the January 7, 1946 issue of Life magazine. Link to Article One ::::: Link to Article Two Maybe the author of the main article, John Dos Passos, was the Robert Fisk of his day. Maybe Henry Luce had it in for Harry Truman. This is a discussion for more knowledgeable people than me. But what I really wasn't ready for in an article in Life Magazine six months after the end of World War II was a line such as this: "We have swept away Hitlerism, but a great many Europeans feel that the cure has been worse than the disease."There are more like it. And it is all so eerily familiar. As Dr. Reynolds says, "Read the whole thing." Posted by Site Admin at 07:35 PM \| Comments (82) \| TrackBack (7) So then I hit 'link to article one' and there's the Dos Passos' article. kultursmog.com (By the way this link works, unlike the one you posted) Also, it says this, Jessica's Well Main Page Original Jessica's Well Post on This Subject When linking to these articles, please reference the original post shown above. Heck, Carl, don't you think this is a little too Fiskian on your part to write, "Kultursmog" is a website that recently put out on the web a document purporting to describe the US occupation of Germany as difficult? When actually it is an article by John Dos Passos about his experience of and view of post WW2 occupation of Europe as indeed, "difficult." "Purporting"? <ggg> And this is downright overwrought, don't you think? It almost lands on the edge of hysteria: "It's kind of amusing that the slimy bastards have already been warned of my posting and have already tried to hide their calumny by removing the incriminating information from their website." "Calumny"? "Incriminating"? Good heavens, has there been a crime committed? Maybe they just didn't want whacko phone calls and funny mail. So at this point in time, I've shown that Heck Exploration is behind a propaganda attack against foes of Bush's policies in Iraq. So, let's get this straight. A right wing website in, of all places, Midland TEXAS (!), which might be financed possibly by an oil family, publishes an article which might cause some discomfiture to critics of Bush's policies. What is so remarkable about this? Now, if it were a left wing website in San Francisco, that would be very remarkable. And you're having the vapours about this: you find out that the Heck/Howell family, which might own the company (which might even be an operating exploration company) and the website, have been part of the Texas Republican political machine and the late Linden Heck Howell was a somebody in Texas and Republican Party. And George Bush was Governor of Texas and appointed her to a Board where she may have done some good. Quelle surprise! I'm underwhelmed. The website isn't likely to be owned by the Clintons or the McGoverns or the Sulzbergers, is it? Hey, Carl, the article still says what it says.